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    Review: Vortex Venom 3 MOA Red Dot

    As part of my 2017 reviews, I'm going to discuss the Vortex Venom 3 MOA Red Dot. Mounting a huge NightForce or Sightron Scope I have on my long riles is just not an option for this light weight competition rifle, a compact micro red dot is preferred. There are lots of red dots to choose from at different price points. Having used a variety of high end red dots from known reputable manufacturers, I wanted to try something different and more compact to shed as much weight as possible for this 3-Gun build. None of the high end red dots I own fit the weight requirement so after some research, Vortex was a clear winner for me for a number of reasons I'll digress below.

    There are many optics options, specifically red dots to choose from these days. There are a lot of imitation red dots from overseas flooding the market at a fraction of the price. Word of caution, you get what you pay for, do not be surprised if the knock off fails or just doesn't perform as expected. Personally, I have never owned a knock off and will not waste my time testing and reviewing one. However, I do know a few people who went down this route to only regret their decision. Choosing the right red dot is a challenge with so many different manufacturers offering a variety to choose from including Vortex. Understanding the application for which you will be using a red dot and the type of red dot is imperative.

    What exactly is a red dot and how does it work? To pick the right red dot, you need to be informed how a red dot works, and some of the basic terminologies you will encounter from marketing data. There are different types of red dots, the most popular similar to this Vortex Venom, is a reflector sight or reflex type. A light emitting diode (LED) is the primary light source emitting a red wavelength of light, projecting on a tinted objective lens. Some red dots depending on design, bounce light between multiple lenses before reaching the objective lens. The objective lens is tinted to help reflect the wavelength of LED output, at the same time blocking specific spectrum of light. This is by design, to reflect the reticle back to the operator, and prevent other natural light frequencies to flood out the reticle on the objective lens. Otherwise, visibility of the reticle would be hampered or nonexistent depending on light conditions. If you look at a red dot lens from the muzzle side, you will hardly be able to see the reticle at all.

    Red dot reticle is an option which is far too subjective. Reticles come in different shapes, sizes, and colors. Personally I prefer a simple red reticle red dot, Vortex Venom is available in red reticle at either 6 or 3 MOA. MOA is minutes of angle, it is a reference of size in relation to distance. One MOA is 1" at 100 Yards or 0.5" at 50 yards or 2" at 200 yards. For tight groupings a smaller MOA is ideal, which is why I opted for Venom 3 MOA. Generally, anywhere from 1-6 MOA is what will be offered in popular reflex red dots. Red dot objective lens is usually not magnified, choosing the right MOA for a target distance is important. There are magnifiers for red dots, I had one on my Holographic red dot, it adds significant weight, and not a viable option for a light weight build.

    Venom is a "Parallax free" red dot. Parallax is an interesting phenomenon which I'm sure cheaper and knock off red dots are not immune from. I wrote a comprehensive review on a high end scope where I explained Parallax in detail. To sum up "parallax free", the operator can change their angle of view in relation to the red dot, while the reticle remains in the same position fixed on the target. If the reticle moves around as you change your angle of view, than the red dot is not "parallax free". Venom specifies directly on their website:

    "All red dot and holographic sights will exhibit some small amount of parallax. Matching current industry practice, this small amount would be considered “parallax free” and will make a negligible difference in the Venom's performance."

    This is important to note, given it is virtually impossible to be 100% "parallax free". High quality scopes have a parallax knob to help compensate for both linear and angular parallax at different distances. A red dot on the other hand is tuned to compensate for angular parallax with a fixed linear range. Outside the optimal range, linear parallax is present.

    Venom wide field lens is exceptional, unlike tubular style red dots, it is wider and therefore easier to mark the reticle on target. At the range, I jumped back and forth between a tubular red dot and this Venom red dot, it was much faster with the Venom to acquire the target in my opinion and experience. Since this is a non magnified red dot intended to be used with both eyes open, there is no concern about field of view, unlike a magnified scope or red dot. This brings up the next feature, unlimited eye relief, Venom can be mounted as close to the rail aft or away from the operator, depending on preference. Eye relief is directly related to the field of view, it is the distance between the eye and objective lens the operator can obtain the full viewing angle. Venom does not have a magnified lens, there is no concern with field of view or eye relief mounted anywhere on the AR15.

    Venom has 10 different levels of reticle brightness to choose from manually. There is also an option for auto adjustment which has its benefits and drawbacks. The auto adjust uses a light sensor to automatically adjust the brightness based on ambient lighting. This is beneficial on those long hunting trips or range sessions which start in the morning and end late in the evening. At the same token if you solely depend on the auto shut off feature you will be wasting battery if you don’t cover the red dot. Even with the cover on, it sets the reticle to the lowest brightness and shuts off after 14 hours. If there is an area for improvement, this is one in my opinion. It is a novel approach but not optimal for maximum battery savings. I prefer the manual option, perhaps a hybrid use of these options, using Auto while operating the weapon, than switching to Manual to force a complete shut down. At the lowest setting the battery is advertised to last 30,000 hours and 150 hours at the highest setting. The argument for auto adjust feature is the advertised 30,000 hour battery life. Changing the CR1632 battery is easy with a top load sealed door and simple flat head screw driver. Vortex provides all the necessary tools to service this red dot but if you are like me, I carry a multi-tool which contains a flat head screw driver and some torx/hex bits. I used this red dot at the range for a whole day on a lower brightness settings, I measured the battery voltage with my multi-meter before and after the session. The delta in voltage was in the hundredths, the 3V battery in the morning measured 3.251VDC, at the end of the day after ~12 hours it measured 3.250VDC. That is pretty remarkable since I didn’t turn it off the entire session. I’m less concerned if I forget to switch between auto adjust to manual mode to force a shut down.

    As expected from a quality red dot, Vortex Venom is rugged and waterproof. I contacted Vortex regarding the specifics of this red dot, they provided some nonproprietary feedback. The design and engineering of this red dot is from the USA, however, it is built and assembled in the Philippines. The housing is machined from high strength aluminum to host the electronics and lens. The composition of the Aluminum housing is proprietary. It is anodized with a matte black finish which resembles a standard black tone upper receiver. There are o-ring seals on all the buttons and battery door to keep water and dust out of the unit ensuring long mean time between failure. The lens itself is scratch resistant and has a hard coat of ArmorTek. I inquired about the details of ArmorTek and the response:

    “ArmorTek is our proprietary coating that protects from scratches, oil, dirt, and debris. I cannot divulge info on the chemical makeup or application of the coating.”

    Venom is designed to withstand shock and recoil from just about any hand gun, shotgun or rifle, making it a versatile option. The ranges I frequent are all outdoor so it is nice having this red dot completely sealed from the elements. I expect this red dot to last a long time.

    Zeroing in the Venom is no different than any other red dot or scope. There are both elevation and windage adjustment dials. I prefer digital buttons rather than mechanical dials similar to the brightness adjustment, but the dials are not too bad compared to other red dots. My high end Holographic sight dials are less than stellar in my opinion. The Venom dials on the other hand provide a light tactile feedback which is very helpful in keeping track of changes. I'm not a huge fan of the placement of these dials in red dots. By that I mean they are not very intuitive, although this more of a universal design with most, not all optics. Instinctively the elevation dial should go on the side, so you can rotate the dial Up or Down for elevation changes, on the Venom and other optics this is on top. This is due to the nature of mechanical design on optics and the location of reflective lenses which are used to control windage and elevation in relation to the housing. The light tactile dials of this red dot make it easy to help keep track of MOA adjustments, which is 130 MOA for max elevation and 100 MOA for max windage. Using the supplied tool and my multi-tool it took just a few elevation adjustments to get on target at 100 yards while windage adjustment was spot on out of the box. Overall I’m happy with the adjustment dials compared to my more expensive red dot.

    Unboxing the Venom, you will find a number of accessories and tools. There is a torx wrench to fasten the red dot to provided picatinny mount, also a spare screw which is rare for a manufacturer to offer. A double ended screw driver for opening the battery door and adjusting windage and elevation dials. There is also a micro fiber cloth for cleaning the objective lens and protective cover which fits the Venom like a glove. Venom comes with a low profile picatinny mount, if you want to co-witness to lower 1/3 of iron sights, Vortex offers a riser as an option and you can even mount this to a quick release mount from American defense if you don’t mind the added weight. For my setup the provided mount is slick light and perfect for what I’m trying to achieve. The mount has a single screw on one side which tightens a mobile bracket against the rail. The screw is big enough and easy to grab without any tools and hand tighten.

    I chose this Vortex Venom red dot due to the low profile and low weight design at 1.73oz with provided mount. Most importantly is the Vortex iron clad warranty. Vortex has an infamous generous warranty unlike most manufactures. What it means as an owner, if anything happens to the red dot regardless of how old it is, they will repair it or replace for free of equal or better physical condition. The unlimited lifetime warranty is hard to come by when it comes to anything containing electronics these days. Vortex not only offers a generous unlimited warranty, they also don't hold the warranty against the original owner of the product. It is fully transferrable and best of all, there is nothing to fill out. No warranty card to mail, or online registration forms to fill out. Don't have your receipt, not a problem, Vortex simplifies the whole process because they stand behind their products. This is the primary reason asides from the performance and light weight design, I believe the Vortex Venom is a great red dot and a clear winner for my setup.

    My intrigue why this red dot was produced prompted a question to Vortex. Their response:

    “The optic came from a huge demand for micro optics, and a very high number of options on the market for optics ready pistols. The competition market also pushes for these optics with the new PCC division and Carry Optics division in USPSA!”

    As I have said in my past reviews, I only review products I believe are worthwhile using on my own personal firearms. I do not have the time to review random products, by choosing this Vortex Venom micro red dot says a lot about the product itself for me consider reviewing. I don't endorse products I don't personally use and this is no exception. My only gripe is this is not built in the U.S., but as expected, most electronics are assembled overseas. If you are in the market for an affordable light weight micro red dot with an amazing lifetime warranty look no further.

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    How's the cheekweld on the AR with that thing?

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    Not bad at all, they offer a riser from AD but I prefer the base mount they provide. It is really a matter of preference and cheekweld depends on the size of ones head and shape so what works for one doesn't mean it will work for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetspeedz View Post
    Not bad at all, they offer a riser from AD but I prefer the base mount they provide. It is really a matter of preference and cheekweld depends on the size of ones head and shape so what works for one doesn't mean it will work for everyone.

    cheers
    I have the 3 moa on a M&P 15-22 w/ the Vortex QR riser (RDMQ) The web page for the RDMQ says "This handy mount quickly attaches the Venom Red Dot to your AR while ensuring the correct lower 1/3 co-witness sight height." Mine provides an absolute co-witness with MBUS which is fine with me. Cheekweld is a non-issue with the Venom RDMQ.

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    great info.

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    Thanks for the review. Torn between Viper, Venom and DeltaPoint..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselvrr View Post
    Thanks for the review. Torn between Viper, Venom and DeltaPoint..
    I'm with you, but it's RMR, DPP or "something else" for me. The DPP is the winner outside of mounting options, which suck at this time. Maybe the Venom could be the "something else".

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