Vets Being Deported

[RetroRevolver77]

4 years for domestic battery? The guy is an animal and good riddance.

[Bulletdog]

We're at the point now where pragmatism must be prioritized over ideology.

If by pragmatism you mean sending all the illegals and their anchor babies home, I'm with you. 100% I've got a truck and trailer and I'm only 3 hours from the border. I can start hauling loads of them today. I'll bet I could fit 40 of them in a four horse trailer if they stood up the whole way. It would probably a nicer ride than how they got here.

I'm sorry that the kid's parents in your example broke the law and have behaved illegal and unethically for his entirely life, but I'm not so sorry that I wish to continue wrecking my own country over it. I don't know what things are like in Kentucky, but here the illegals and their "American" children are horrible parasites on the system and commit and inordinate amount of crime. They are NOT Americans, and unlike the legal immigrants of our country's past, they have no desire to become Americans or assimilate into American culture. If they want to continue to be Mexicans, they can be Mexicans in Mexico.

And no, I'm not a racist, and no I don't hate Mexicans or Mexico. Quite the opposite. I love Mexico. Been there many times and they have the best food in the whole world. Beautiful country. I've met and worked with many Mexicans that were fantastic human beings. I have Mexican friends. I could live there quite happily. I would say the same thing about blonde haired, blue eyed Norwegians if they were sneaking over here and causing the same problems.

[SteyrAUG]

Yes, they should have become citizens and nobody should have assumed it was automatic. But if there are any "non violent" offenders in this mess then they should receive a wide degree of consideration. Also the military needs to make sure any non citizens who are serving understand the process of citizenship.

When people put up, our country needs to hold up our end. In most cases, these are exactly the kind of immigrants we want.

[hdrolling]

I seem to recall that there is a fast track that could be earned while deployed. I want to say one or two of my deployments I was asked to submit names and a bio of why any of my soldiers might be deserving and we had to submit it higher.

I don't remember having any Mexican soldiers that were not already citizens but I did have a Bolivian ranger that was one of the best soldiers I've ever had get submitted and excepted.

These were not hand outs, you really had to earn them and have the supported paperwork to show you were deserving of a fast track.

https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-shee...ice-fact-sheet

[TAZ]

Wow. I'm still shocked that we would allow or need non citizens to serve in the military, even as cooks. Didn't the Romans try that approach a while back.

Given that we have the program, I do find it odd that people refuse to follow through and take responsibility for their lives. You'd figure someone who went through years of service possibly at great risk to their safety would have some follow through. Mind boggling. It's like getting your super model date home and nekkid ready to go and then you sit down to watch an episode of Jackass. Then bitch to your buddies about how you didn't get any last night.

I have little sympathy for folks to sit on their thumbs and then make a stink about the system being broke. Well no shit Sherlock. It's the government; everything if ****ing broke and needs hand holding.

[RazorBurn]

Here's my question...

The example in the story has been here 50 years. At some point during that time, do you think he could have/should have become a naturalized citizen? I'm all for vets getting the fast track on the citizenship path. But they have to want it and go get it. This man never took the next step on the citizenship path even though he "would have been willing to die for this country"? Furthermore, the article says:



A little personal responsibility might be in order for those 80 cases. I know if I have something important like that, I'd stay on top of it.

This is the reality, but somehow it will be spun into everyone else's fault that didn't happen. Personal accountability needs to be reinstated in this country toot le sweet. That guy being a felon to boot; my sympathy is in the dictionary...

I have long been an advocate that serving in the US armed forces should be an automatic path to citizenship. Usually when I post that, a bunch of people counter with "that encourages illegals to enlist in droves, which will dilute the armed forces with too many foreign soldiers who might not be as loyal to the country as native-born American citizens."

So I"ve changed my stance a little to say, "They broke the law to get here regardless of their service. Their service should count toward some path to citizenship, but there should still be some sort of sanction for their coming here illegally."

I have no problem with someone who has honorably served in our nation's military to be fast tracked to citizenship. They've earned it in my opinion, but they have to actually take the steps to do it. I wouldn't even be opposed to someone earning it automatically say after a minimum of eight years of service. It needs to be a longer term for me to show they are sincere in their desire to become a citizen of our nation. You'll get no disagreement from me on your above statement.

I seem to recall that there is a fast track that could be earned while deployed. I want to say one or two of my deployments I was asked to submit names and a bio of why any of my soldiers might be deserving and we had to submit it higher.

I don't remember having any Mexican soldiers that were not already citizens but I did have a Bolivian ranger that was one of the best soldiers I've ever had get submitted and excepted.

These were not hand outs, you really had to earn them and have the supported paperwork to show you were deserving of a fast track.

https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-shee...ice-fact-sheet

Thanks for posting this. Interesting reading and this thread has taught me some things I didn't know.

[MountainRaven]

Wow. I'm still shocked that we would allow or need non citizens to serve in the military, even as cooks. Didn't the Romans try that approach a while back.

Given that we have the program, I do find it odd that people refuse to follow through and take responsibility for their lives. You'd figure someone who went through years of service possibly at great risk to their safety would have some follow through. Mind boggling. It's like getting your super model date home and nekkid ready to go and then you sit down to watch an episode of Jackass. Then bitch to your buddies about how you didn't get any last night.

I have little sympathy for folks to sit on their thumbs and then make a stink about the system being broke. Well no shit Sherlock. It's the government; everything if ****ing broke and needs hand holding.

So did the Persians and the Mongols. The French, the British, and the Germans still do it. In fact, most of these empires found the use of foreign auxiliaries to be utterly indispensable, whether it's Chinese and Korean auxiliaries in the Mongol Empire, the French Foreign Legion, or Gurkhas in the British Armed Forces.

The over-exertion of the Roman army (spread out too far, over too much territory), corruption of public officials, civil conflict, and the Eastern Roman Empire basically deciding that it wasn't worth the effort to keep the Western Roman Empire propped up (most of the Roman armies fighting in the Western Roman Empire to defend the Western Roman Empire answered to the Eastern Roman Empire, not the West), combined with the citizens of the Western Roman Empire basically deciding that the Empire wasn't worth maintaining did it in more than the use of non-Roman auxiliaries did.

[HCM]

Wow. I'm still shocked that we would allow or need non citizens to serve in the military, even as cooks. Didn't the Romans try that approach a while back.

Given that we have the program, I do find it odd that people refuse to follow through and take responsibility for their lives. You'd figure someone who went through years of service possibly at great risk to their safety would have some follow through. Mind boggling. It's like getting your super model date home and nekkid ready to go and then you sit down to watch an episode of Jackass. Then bitch to your buddies about how you didn't get any last night.

I have little sympathy for folks to sit on their thumbs and then make a stink about the system being broke. Well no shit Sherlock. It's the government; everything if ****ing broke and needs hand holding.

It's nothing new. I previously worked an assignment with multiple Vietnam vets born as Panamanian citizens who acquired green cards and subsequent citizenship by joining the U.S military in the Canal Zone.

[AKDoug]

My father and my uncle served in the Coast Guard and U.S. Army while still Canadian citizens. Their service, combined with my grandfather's service in WWII with the Canadian Navy reportedly made getting U.S. citizenship for all of them a fairly uncomplicated process.

[usmcvet]

I think I heard this story on NPR several months ago. It's a shame but they didn't follow the rules then they broke the mas and went to jail. That's all 100% on them. Don't break the rules and don't break the law. If you do both don't be surprised or complain when you're deported.