Judge tells man to choose between 2A and grandson

[Grand58742]

SIAP. But, damn. A judge saying this without ruling the so called law illegal? And stating outright they know they are violating his Constitutional Rights?

https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2017/...dge-marine-2a/

On Monday, the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) filed a lawsuit against Michigan’s Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) for impeding on foster and adoptive parents’ Second Amendment rights.

SAF filed the lawsuit on behalf of two couples: William and Jill Johnson and Brian and Naomi Mason.

The Johnsons were going to take custody of their grandson to keep him from going into foster care. When they went to pick up their grandson, William, a retired, disabled Marine with a Concealed Pistol License (CPL), was searched for a firearm. He was not carrying a firearm at the time. At that point, agency officials told the Johnsons that they would be required to provide all firearms’ serial numbers to the agency as part of a registry. When Johnson questioned agency workers, he was given a surprising response.

“If you want to care for your grandson you will have to give up some of your constitutional rights,” a MDHHS worker retorted.

When the Johnsons appeared before a Gogebic County Court judge, the judge reiterated the agency worker’s statement.

“We know we are violating numerous constitutional rights here, but if you do not comply, we will remove the boy from your home,” the judge said.

[Bulletdog]

These are the people who need to be hung from the nearest tree when the time comes.

This seems to be the way it is with the left now. Who cares if its right or legal? We can just do whatever we want and nobody can or will do anything about it.

[glocktogo]

They should all be stripped of their titles and authority, and be barred from ever holding positions of authority, ever. This kind of shit makes my blood boil!

[WillBrink]

I suspect there's more to that story but if it's accurate, would seem a slam dunk win the case. I thought Michigan one of the more pro 2A states too.

[SomeOtherGuy]

I suspect there's more to that story but if it's accurate, would seem a slam dunk win the case. I thought Michigan one of the more pro 2A states too.

This case is actually almost local to me. The area is mostly rural and small town, and on this sort of issue would be considered conservative (in broader politics it's a mix of rural Republicans and rural Democrats, meaning differing views on the economy and business but similar socially).

Michigan overall is a pretty good 2A state these days. It was pretty bad through the late 1990's but a range of good, persistent political activism has made huge changes for the better in the last 18 or so years. Not quite Idaho/Arizona on 2A issues but more like Indiana or the Dakotas.

That's Michigan overall. This case is in the extreme western UP, which is a little different, but again somewhat like the Dakotas - guns aren't a big issue because almost everyone has them and violent crime is very low. It's hard to estimate gun ownership rates but I would guess 80-90% of households in Ontonagon would have at least a hunting rifle or shotgun, with over 50% having collections of guns.

Due to this being local, I will say less of my opinion, but I will be very interested in the outcome of this case. The claims in the lawsuit are certainly troubling.

[yoni]

These are the people who need to be hung from the nearest tree when the time comes.

I think the time has not come and gone.

[SteyrAUG]

These are the people who need to be hung from the nearest tree when the time comes.

This seems to be the way it is with the left now. Who cares if its right or legal? We can just do whatever we want and nobody can or will do anything about it.

Yep, imagine being told you have to choose between your right to vote or right to free speech and your grandson.

[Eurodriver]

These are the people who need to be hung from the nearest tree when the time comes.

This seems to be the way it is with the left now. Who cares if its right or legal? We can just do whatever we want and nobody can or will do anything about it.

That time left us by a while ago hombre. No one on the right has the balls to do anything about this except sue, which will go nowhere. How many people were skeered of Trump because he wasn't a RINO cuck? Hell, some folks get so skeered when they see an opposing viewpoint on the internet that they add you to their ignore list. How would you ever expect people like that to hang someone from a tree? You think Nathan Hale or Thomas Paine were skeered cucks?

The right sits back and says, "Well...they dun better not push me too far cuz I'll shoot 'em dead where they stand!" while Antifa and BLM smash in faces, set businesses on fire, and block interstate travel. How many people on this forum alone have written you off as a freedom loving American just because you live in CA? All is lost and we're all Robert Redford right now.

But don't mind me...anyone not participating in the circle jerk must be a tool.

[tb-av]

How many people were skeered of Trump because he wasn't a RINO cuck?

Not "were", 'are'.

Just look at the upcoming VA Governor race.

Entrenched Dem vs. RINO

Just absolutely unbelievable. It's like playing whack-a-mole. It's bad enough to continue to have to hammer the Liberals but the RINOs keep popping their heads just as often.

Dem candidate won his primary with 56% of the vote.
RINO won with 43.7%

How do you think that Statewide contest will turn out?

The only potentially saving grace is that Corey Stewart who came in at 42.5% on the R side is going to take on Tim Kaine in 2018 for the Senate. If he wins, it will be well worth the governorship loss again to a Dem.

Yet, if anything, Stewart has been emboldened by his razor-thin loss to Gillespie after starting the race as a heavy underdog. He pledged in his campaign announcement to be “vicious” and “ruthless” in his bid against against Kaine, mimicking the bombastic style that earned his political idol countless headlines on his way to the White House.

“I speak my mind, I’m no-holds-barred, and sometimes it gets me in trouble,” Stewart said. “But it worked for President Trump, and it’s going to work for me as well.”

Please let it be so...... Just to see a representative willing to fight.

ETA:
...and speaking of whack-a-mole.....
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jeb-bush-calls-out-republicans-silent-on-trumps-russia-probe/ar-AAoBPoA?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=ansmsnnews11

Why would a Liberal judge not think they can steal your rights?

[Moose-Knuckle]

That time left us by a while ago hombre. No one on the right has the balls to do anything about this except sue, which will go nowhere. How many people were skeered of Trump because he wasn't a RINO cuck?

Who was scared of Trump?

I say no one as almost everyone underestimated him. I recall you went on for months that he was never going to win . . .

Hell, some folks get so skeered when they see an opposing viewpoint on the internet that they add you to their ignore list. How would you ever expect people like that to hang someone from a tree? You think Nathan Hale or Thomas Paine were skeered cucks?

That's funny, how many times now have you claimed that I was on your ignore list?

The right sits back and says, "Well...they dun better not push me too far cuz I'll shoot 'em dead where they stand!" while Antifa and BLM smash in faces, set businesses on fire, and block interstate travel.

Once again you are contradicting yourself. You've downplayed Antifa as nothing more than college kids with flags, fireworks, and masks but here you make them sound like an actual threat.

All is lost and we're all Robert Redford right now.

Great film, really shows his trade craft being the only person in the entire film.

I own it, it was that good.