Judge tells man to choose between 2A and grandson

[Bulletdog]

There's a BIG difference between legitimate law and willful abuse of power. We used to care about stuff like that.

Some of us still care and have never stopped caring about stuff like this.

No doubt the kids are being used as pawns in this game of "control" and government abuse. "Let us trample your God given rights, or we'll make sure these innocent kids suffer…" If this is not tyranny and abuse, I don't know what is. This is absolutely appalling and unacceptable.

[26 Inf]

This would anger me. If no guns in the home would have been the deal we wouldn't have started doing foster care - we didn't do it for the money.

On the other hand, all that aside, some folks would say that I have a Constitutional Right to Bear Arms, I have no Constitutional Right to do foster-care.

[SteyrAUG]

No, that's not a good solution. People should be able to live normally and exercise their basic rights without lying or being put in unreasonable positions. I would imagine that thousands of people just lie to avoid this issue, but the plaintiffs here are completely in the right to not lie and instead sue and push the enforcement of their rights.

You are correct, they should. But at the same time I should be able to import a new machine gun from Germany for personal use. So things aren't as they should be.

[HCM]

On the other hand, all that aside, some folks would say that I have a Constitutional Right to Bear Arms, I have no Constitutional Right to do foster-care.

Great respect for being a foster parent and while you may not have a constitutional right to be a foster parent, the plaintiff's circumstances are somewhat different since the the child in question is their grandson.

Barring compelling evidence of problems, there is no reason to place a kid with strangers over placing them with family.

This is simply an abuse of power, Along those lines, are family court judges in MI appointed or elected ?

[MegademiC]

Great respect for being a foster parent and while you may not have a constitutional right to be a foster parent, the plaintiff's circumstances are somewhat different since the the child in question is their grandson.

Barring compelling evidence of problems, there is no reason to place a kid with strangers over placing them with family.

This is simply an abuse of power, Along those lines, are family court judges in MI appointed or elected ?

I agree this specific case, the state should not brake up a family because of the 2nd amendment. It shouldn't be a factor at all, but the state, as it's set up, controls adoption, but there should be different rules for families.

On a side note, it would be interesting to hear this judges opinion on "breaking up" families for crime, like illegal immigration.

[sgtrock82]

Wrong quote

[sgtrock82]

No, that's not a good solution. People should be able to live normally and exercise their basic rights without lying or being put in unreasonable positions. I would imagine that thousands of people just lie to avoid this issue, but the plaintiffs here are completely in the right to not lie and instead sue and push the enforcement of their rights.

Maybe not the kind of solution that can celebrated on sundays or by blowing shit up on the 4th but thats not what is intended. Just a simple plan to work around their nonsense and return to normal down the road. Unless of course you wish to squander your funds and gun collection not to mention time spent with ones grandson son by being duped into fighting their nonsense. You might end up with none of these things but an uninteresting "I fought the law and the law won" story.

Smile and nod then go back to your business. Be sure to throughly instruct the grandson and make a competent shooter out of him, which is time and effort better spent in my opinion.

[tb-av]

You gotta love an educated, common sense, well reasoned Liberal. Two or three of them acting in concert and the fun factor is almost unbearable.

I hope the judge's quote was an exaggeration and that he really didn't say that, but even then, he has to know what he is doing. I'm sure he enjoys it.

[tb-av]

On a side note, it would be interesting to hear this judges opinion on "breaking up" families for crime, like illegal immigration.

Liberals thrive on double standards. It is a core aspect of their personality. So basically you are saying you want to be doubly pissed off with this judge.

To a Liberal the word "illegal" in illegal immigration is not synonymous with "against the law". To a Liberal it is simply an unfortunate word association that the uneducated use as a derogatory term. The word "illegal" in the context you mention means "freedom seeking".

So it's apples and oranges.

In the case of the freedom seeking immigrant you have a hard working individual that would be an asset to our society as they would be starting a business, teaching advanced sciences, and similar such things that lazy Americans simply are not good with.

Now the 2A case you have a child in need but to insure it's safety, the care will have to be overseen by the State. This care extends to any persons that provide services to said child. These 'extraneous individuals' will be placed under the watchful caring eye of the State to ensure the child's long term safety and ideally more long term Liberal indoctrination.

Liberalism 101 - 'We don't need no stinkin' rational thoughts'.

[Eurodriver]

These are the people who need to be hung from the nearest tree when the time comes.

This seems to be the way it is with the left now. Who cares if its right or legal? We can just do whatever we want and nobody can or will do anything about it.

That time left us by a while ago hombre. No one on the right has the balls to do anything about this except sue, which will go nowhere. How many people were skeered of Trump because he wasn't a RINO cuck? Hell, some folks get so skeered when they see an opposing viewpoint on the internet that they add you to their ignore list. How would you ever expect people like that to hang someone from a tree? You think Nathan Hale or Thomas Paine were skeered cucks?

The right sits back and says, "Well...they dun better not push me too far cuz I'll shoot 'em dead where they stand!" while Antifa and BLM smash in faces, set businesses on fire, and block interstate travel. How many people on this forum alone have written you off as a freedom loving American just because you live in CA? All is lost and we're all Robert Redford right now.

But don't mind me...anyone not participating in the circle jerk must be a tool.