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    New AR owner

    Hello everyone,

    I am a new AR owner. I recently chosen a Daniel Defence V7 Mil spec +. My general purpose of the rifle is a lot of training, home Defence and SHTF. I have been studying a lot from this forum but I still have questions.

    - Is Daniel Defence mid grade or high grade quality? The materials that are used seems to be very strong and durable. Also, I seen that parts are tested. I seen Noveske rifles that go for more and some people choose them instead.
    - How many rounds will parts last for or what will need to be replaced after 25,000 rounds?

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    Hi Poec, first and foremost, Welcome to M4C!

    Secondly, GREAT CHOICE! You're starting off right here, and we can tell you did your research before buying.

    DD, around here, is considered Mid-High grade equipment. I think it's not quite revered as BCM/Noveske, but no one will give you crap for low quality*.

    Parts replacement will have to be broken down by another member, I myself don't have all the specs.

    IIRC, around 10k you're looking at an extractor, multiple sets of gas rings, and probably a buffer spring.

    That's all I can remember immediately without employign my GoogleFu or breaking out my Sweeny books.


    *Wellll, most won't. Your mileage probably will vary.

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    That's what I'm curious about. Answers on when to replace things seems scattered. I would like to keep spare parts for that.

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    Seek, and ye shall find: https://info.publicintelligence.net/...anceManual.pdf

    I give you the USMC technical manual for the M4 carbine.

    It will tell you when to replace buffer springs (hint, you need a ruler, it's based on length), extractor springs, bolts, barrels, etc.

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    Oh, and if you have an opportunity, you may want to hunt down a Semper Paratus AR Armorer class taught by our very own IraqGunz. I have taken it twice, and found it to be a very valuable training experience both times.

    Welcome aboard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    Oh, and if you have an opportunity, you may want to hunt down a Semper Paratus AR Armorer class taught by our very own IraqGunz. I have taken it twice, and found it to be a very valuable training experience both times.

    Welcome aboard!
    Thanks! Will do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poec9090 View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I am a new AR owner. I recently chosen a Daniel Defence V7 Mil spec +. My general purpose of the rifle is a lot of training, home Defence and SHTF. I have been studying a lot from this forum but I still have questions.

    - Is Daniel Defence mid grade or high grade quality? The materials that are used seems to be very strong and durable. Also, I seen that parts are tested. I seen Noveske rifles that go for more and some people choose them instead.
    - How many rounds will parts last for or what will need to be replaced after 25,000 rounds?
    Welcome to the forum and welcome to the world of the AR.

    You made a good choice for your first rifle. I suggest you seek out competent training and spend some time educating yourself on the topic. You've got the hardware, now focus on the software.

    I consider the Daniel Defense an upper grade product. It is on my short list of recommendations. Within the upper grade quality spectrum, the difference can become minor differences or preferences. Similar to Ford vs Chevy pickup trucks or Coke vs. Pepsi. Noveske also makes a good product, although some may argue that the quality of the product is not what it was when the founder, John Noveske was still alive.

    I do not think you will wake up a month from now and decide that your new Daniel Defense rifle is a piece of junk. Far from it.

    People on topic specific forums enjoy debating the differences and the pros/cons of just about every possible difference on the topic. The same thing happens on knife forums, flashlight forums ect. Don't get too caught up in the arguing.

    As to round counts and parts replacement, there are a lot of factors to consider. A suppressor can decrease the service life of some parts. How the rifle was shot can have some effect on service life of some parts. For example shooting 300 rounds at a slow and methodical manner is not as hard on the gun as loading up 10 magazines and doing a 300 round mag dump shooting as fast as you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poec9090 View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I am a new AR owner. I recently chosen a Daniel Defence V7 Mil spec +. My general purpose of the rifle is a lot of training, home Defence and SHTF. I have been studying a lot from this forum but I still have questions.

    - Is Daniel Defence mid grade or high grade quality? The materials that are used seems to be very strong and durable. Also, I seen that parts are tested. I seen Noveske rifles that go for more and some people choose them instead.
    - How many rounds will parts last for or what will need to be replaced after 25,000 rounds?
    Welcome, but a question. Why did you purchase the rifle and THEN ask about it's quality? I've seen many new owners buy a rifle and then go plastering the various gun forums asking for an affirmation of their purchase.
    Last edited by SE Flyer; 07-27-17 at 08:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poec9090 View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I am a new AR owner. I recently chosen a Daniel Defence V7 Mil spec +. My general purpose of the rifle is a lot of training, home Defence and SHTF. I have been studying a lot from this forum but I still have questions.

    - Is Daniel Defence mid grade or high grade quality? The materials that are used seems to be very strong and durable. Also, I seen that parts are tested. I seen Noveske rifles that go for more and some people choose them instead.
    - How many rounds will parts last for or what will need to be replaced after 25,000 rounds?
    I would consider DD to be one of the higher quality manufacturers on the market. Remember, there is more to the weapon than just the specs listed, the assembly and proper selection of parts is very important.

    Noveske Rifleworks was built by John Noveske to be simply the best weapon available to guys using the weapon system to do God work. While it isn't the same company as it was when John was alive, the weapon fills a different niche than a BCM.
    Stick


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    Quote Originally Posted by SE Flyer View Post
    Welcome, but a question. Why did you purchase the rifle and THEN ask about it's quality? I've seen many new owners buy a rifle and then go plastering the various gun forums asking for an affirmation of their purchase.
    Simply worry and wanted more confirmination.. lol. Many ppl so far says I'm on the right track. I don't take what gunshops say most of the time. Most just seems to care about sales. I have a lot of training and experience with handguns and that's it. The AR platform is new to me even though I've shot other ARs that I don't own myself. So, now I'm actually studying the product, quality and durability.

    I was considering the SAINT as my first rifle. I liked how it felt compared to something like the S&W sport ii. After sitting down and studying different manufacturers, parts and quality control I learned that I would be best to buy just one and be done. If I bought the SAINT I would have made upgrades that would cost as much as buying the DD or more. Daniel Defence stuck out to me. I considered Bravo Comany Mod 2 but I liked how the DD felt and I know that they have excellent customer service.

    I tried studying the noveske. The model I was looking at seemed just the same to me except they focused a lot on accuracy. Myself personally I would just use a bolt gun if I cared about getting good accuracy. Their rifle was nice but I did not feel like paying $1000 more for a product that seemed to pretty much have the same parts durability as the DD unless I missed something. I also know they have been around for a good while longer which is another reason for a bigger price tag.
    Last edited by Poec9090; 07-27-17 at 18:55.

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