LPVO for Military/SOF

[Singlestack Wonder]

The kahles illumination adjustment is easily moved when bumping into something as there are no detents. Something kahles got wrong. Ok for gun games but not for serious use.

[GTF425]

Ok for gun games but not for serious use.

I think Dano's use of a Kahles is a little more serious than most of us would ever use it for.

[Alkayus]

From a former Team guy who has used varible optics extensively in combat, the Khales 1-6 is far and away the best scope in class. Large useable eyebox for dynamic shooting. Daylight bright reticle. Mil-based Sm-1 reticle is very usable. From 25m to 900m, day and with Night vision I2 & thermal, it has worked spectaculary well.

Lighter, better glass and reticle than the Razor II
Much better eyebox and reticle than the 1-6x Luepy


http://www.eurooptic.com/kahles-k-61...1-reticle.aspx


If he is not sniper trained, pm me, I will make predictive data holds for 14.5 and 16" (recce) with issue ammo.

Include extra batteries cr2032 IIRC

Thank you, I have sent you a PM sir.

[Titan74]

Here's a good review on Kahles K16i: http://www.westernshooter.com/2014/0...m1-review.html

If you are on a budget, you might be able to save a bit by going with Swarovski Z6i 1-6x with BRT-i reticle. It is optically the same scope, but without the tactical features. The Z6i has been very highly regarded scope in 3gun for a long time.

[ExplorinInTheWoods]

For the VCOG I prefer the segmented circle, they have also brought out one that uses mils instead of only a BDC. I would suggest getting mils/mrad over a BDC because BDC's are designed for a certain round fired from a certain barrel although they can be pretty close.

[Singlestack Wonder]

I have not found this to be true with either scope, w/o detents, I have used extensively. Khales 1-6x or Luepy 3-18x (shockingly specified for SOCOM w/o detent illum).

To be more specific the Khales has an on/off detent, and firm turn tension.

What is more important is the tension required to turn the knob and the shape of the knobs edges (will it catch).

Please clarify....has the kahles actually been issued for teams to use in the field? Leupold MK6 (both 1-6x and 3-18x) has and to a degree the Vcog as well.

[pinzgauer]

Not as much fun to talk about, but based on my experience supporting a medium-speed soldier in the field, I'd be thinking gift certificates for tactical Taylor or mystery ranch rather than tac hard parts like scopes.

More chance of filling a gap, and less of getting him something that he can't use or is issued something better.

They have pretty decent access to weapons related gear, but have to buy any non-issue soft gear on their own.

Even small things like the exact radio pouch they need has a big impact during field time.

[Outlander Systems]

His response was pretty clear.

Reading is fundamental.

Please clarify....has the kahles actually been issued for teams to use in the field? Leupold MK6 (both 1-6x and 3-18x) has and to a degree the Vcog as well.

[Eurodriver]

His response was pretty clear.

Reading is fundamental.

Vetted SME, with 5236 in his freaking username, dropping knowledge about an optic used to shoot faces and someone chimes in that it's only good for gaming. Only on the internet man...

Dano, thanks for your insight and sharing your experiences with us.

[Singlestack Wonder]

My question refers to actual being issued for military use. He did not specify that the kahles had been issued like the Leupold and Vcog offerings and (in other's words) used to shoot faces.

Dano, please clarify...