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    After many years of watching the ridiculous pricing on various rifle platforms I finally found a deal that offered most of what I required at an unbeatable price. Some of you may have seen the PSA Freedom MOA AR carbine on PSA daily deals recently... Well I bit. Still waiting for it to arrive at my local FFL (which I understand they are known for, the wait that is). And while I realize this isn't the faciest hotrod rifle out there, it seems to be a solid piece.

    Anyways, its primary use will be recreational target/plinking with a requirement to be available for HD and such. It comes with a f-marked front A2 sight along with Magpul MBUS rear sight. I fully intend to utilize the stock sights during break in and to get used to them but I'd like to hear some discussions about good multi-purpose sights. I like the idea of a low to no magnification red dot but if I ever have to grab it for HD would be concerned about the extra step of turning it on. I come from a pistol and shotgun background and have NEVER run optics or other whizbang gadgets and am partial to keeping it simple.

    Thoughts on eschewing red dot type optics for HD use? What sight setup would be recommended? The carbine has a flattop weaver rail with f-marked A2 front sight. Keep stock sights? Replace front, rear or both? I'm very new to the AR and have done lots of reading but have lots to do still.... Can't wait to start putting rounds down range!

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    RDs are quick and precise, unless you have severe astigmatism- which effectively turns the dot to a blob/starburst or comet.
    With your new setup you might consider the Primary Arms RD with a co-witness or lower third mount, which enables use with FS.
    The PAs RD has a 2 minute dot, they have held up to abuse on a couple of my beaters and they are inexpensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck91 View Post
    After many years of watching the ridiculous pricing on various rifle platforms I finally found a deal that offered most of what I required at an unbeatable price. Some of you may have seen the PSA Freedom MOA AR carbine on PSA daily deals recently... Well I bit. Still waiting for it to arrive at my local FFL (which I understand they are known for, the wait that is). And while I realize this isn't the faciest hotrod rifle out there, it seems to be a solid piece.

    Anyways, its primary use will be recreational target/plinking with a requirement to be available for HD and such. It comes with a f-marked front A2 sight along with Magpul MBUS rear sight. I fully intend to utilize the stock sights during break in and to get used to them but I'd like to hear some discussions about good multi-purpose sights. I like the idea of a low to no magnification red dot but if I ever have to grab it for HD would be concerned about the extra step of turning it on. I come from a pistol and shotgun background and have NEVER run optics or other whizbang gadgets and am partial to keeping it simple.

    Thoughts on eschewing red dot type optics for HD use? What sight setup would be recommended? The carbine has a flattop weaver rail with f-marked A2 front sight. Keep stock sights? Replace front, rear or both? I'm very new to the AR and have done lots of reading but have lots to do still.... Can't wait to start putting rounds down range!
    If you do not want to have to deal with turning an optic on and off, here is the one for you - the HOLOSUN 403A. It has an auto wake feature that automatically turns on the scope when it is moved and an adjustable 8 hour auto-shutoff. I have one on one of my ARs. It cannot be any simpler to use.

    http://www.holosun.com/store/index.p...&product_id=63





    As far as sights go, leave what you have. The MBUS and the FSB will work well together and with the optic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    If you do not want to have to deal with turning an optic on and off, here is the one for you - the HOLOSUN 403A. It has an auto wake feature that automatically turns on the scope when it is moved and an adjustable 8 hour auto-shutoff. I have one on one of my ARs. It cannot be any simpler to use.

    http://www.holosun.com/store/index.p...&product_id=63





    As far as sights go, leave what you have. The MBUS and the FSB will work well together and with the optic.
    Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot is also made by Holosun, has the same battery life and durability, motion detection, etc, but does not require you to take the micro off to base to change the battery. They also have the option of getting it with their ACSS reticle. The torture test a publication did on it proved it is very durable and can take some heavy abuse.

    This would be a good option for the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    If you do not want to have to deal with turning an optic on and off, here is the one for you - the HOLOSUN 403A. It has an auto wake feature that automatically turns on the scope when it is moved and an adjustable 8 hour auto-shutoff. I have one on one of my ARs. It cannot be any simpler to use.

    http://www.holosun.com/store/index.p...&product_id=63



    I have a couple of Aimpoint Micros and I never have to turn them on or off. In fact, neither of them have an off switch.

    Buck91, that PSA is going to need a new extractor spring after a few hundred rounds. It also comes with a carbine weight buffer which is a bit too light. You'll need to replace it with an H or H2 buffer
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    Get the cheapest you can find for the cheapest rifle you bought.

    Your AR does not have a flat top Weaver rail. It's Picatinny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck91 View Post
    After many years of watching the ridiculous pricing on various rifle platforms I finally found a deal that offered most of what I required at an unbeatable price. Some of you may have seen the PSA Freedom MOA AR carbine on PSA daily deals recently... Well I bit. Still waiting for it to arrive at my local FFL (which I understand they are known for, the wait that is). And while I realize this isn't the faciest hotrod rifle out there, it seems to be a solid piece.

    Anyways, its primary use will be recreational target/plinking with a requirement to be available for HD and such. It comes with a f-marked front A2 sight along with Magpul MBUS rear sight. I fully intend to utilize the stock sights during break in and to get used to them but I'd like to hear some discussions about good multi-purpose sights. I like the idea of a low to no magnification red dot but if I ever have to grab it for HD would be concerned about the extra step of turning it on. I come from a pistol and shotgun background and have NEVER run optics or other whizbang gadgets and am partial to keeping it simple.

    Thoughts on eschewing red dot type optics for HD use? What sight setup would be recommended? The carbine has a flattop weaver rail with f-marked A2 front sight. Keep stock sights? Replace front, rear or both? I'm very new to the AR and have done lots of reading but have lots to do still.... Can't wait to start putting rounds down range!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Get the cheapest you can find for the cheapest rifle you bought.

    Your AR does not have a flat top Weaver rail. It's Picatinny.
    Maybe NEXT time I'll take out a second mortgage but for today I just want a decent rifle at a decent price. At what point would my personal expenditures meet your approval?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck91 View Post
    Maybe NEXT time I'll take out a second mortgage but for today I just want a decent rifle at a decent price. At what point would my personal expenditures meet your approval?
    Unfortunately you're going to find that for many on here, the definition of decent is not met by anything PSA. Curious, what did you pay?

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    Don't mind at all sharing (especially in light of the pricing over the last few years). It was the public special on their website, $459 shipped. Hell of a deal compared to what some people I know have paid recently (even for lesser guns). While I'm 100% confident that an experienced AR builder could do better with less that is one thing I am not.

    Edit: This is the Freedom M4 with the Magpul MOE furniture. Not fancy but specs look usable. Listed price was over $700.
    Last edited by Buck91; 09-20-17 at 18:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck91 View Post
    Don't mind at all sharing (especially in light of the pricing over the last few years). It was the public special on their website, $459 shipped. Hell of a deal compared to what some people I know have paid recently (even for lesser guns). While I'm 100% confident that an experienced AR builder could do better with less that is one thing I am not.

    Edit: This is the Freedom M4 with the Magpul MOE furniture. Not fancy but specs look usable. Listed price was over $700.
    Again, unfortunately, had you logged on today, you would have seen the post right here about an Aero Precision for $499 plus shipping ($11 to me in NC when I checked earlier) and that would be a much nicer rifle for about $50 more. No Magpul furniture but standard Magpul furniture can be had cheap on the second hand market. Hell I'd bet there are enough nice folks on this and a few of the other forums that they would send you their Moe handguards, grips, and maybe a Pmag or two with the right approach or attitude for free.

    At the end of the day, it is your gun and you have to shoot it. And also, as you stated, potentially rely on it for you and your family's life. I have a PSA pencil upper (with BCM BCG, though) and it has ran well.

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