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Thread: Any other gun companies refuse to sell guns to Israel Like Heckler and Koch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Honestly, I think somebody in Germany realizes they are currently well occupied and probably need to show some perceived distance between themselves and Israel before their "new arrivals" burn things down wholesale.
    Afraid of Islam or actively pro-Islam, not absolutely sure......but I think maybe more pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    Afraid of Islam or actively pro-Islam, not absolutely sure......but I think maybe more pro.
    I think a "pro Islam / anti Israel" stance would run the risk of being called a "nazi" and last time I checked that is something the Germans were worried about more than anything else. One of the reasons they let muslim refugees flow into their country unchecked was so that nobody would accuse them of acting like a "nazi."

    For the last 70+ years they have had that drummed into their heads so hard sometimes I'm amazed they are willing to breath oxygen because the "nazis" used to breath oxygen. Either way they are now the country most responsible for shouldering EU debt since the UK opted out, Merkel isn't going to make anything better and they are at the beginning stages of a cultural reformation based on Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    When I called Steyr to get replacement stocks for SSG1 sniper rifles we had captured from Syria, I was told very clearly "we do not sell guns to Jews"
    No kidding? Hope your very next call was to McMillan. Interesting that Steyr was willing to sell sniper rifles to Iran but has a problem with Israel. Love to hear the rationalization behind that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    I'm no expert on Europe, but man they really, really don't sound like they have gotten over their "Jew" issues, but just buried their deserved guilt under some unresolved shame. Now it seems fashionable to let all that pent up Jew anger out, seems being pro-Islam sets these folks free.
    Austria wholeheartedly embraced Naziism in the 30s and 40s, but they got a slap on the wrist from the allies who were cutting Germany into pieces over WWII and the Holocaust. The leader of the political movement to resist the Nazis and Anschluß, Otto von Hapsburg, had all his property taken following Nazi "occupation" of Austria and was sentenced to death - he fled to the US after helping tens of thousands of Jews escape Austria and even convinced the US Army to put together an "Austrian Battalion" - and Austria never returned any of it after the war.

    And while resistance movements in France, Poland, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, and Norway all engaged in some fairly violent attacks on occupying and collaborationist forces, the Austrian resistance was mostly political and peaceful - apart from their leaders being arrested, tortured, and executed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    When I called Steyr to get replacement stocks for SSG1 sniper rifles we had captured from Syria, I was told very clearly "we do not sell guns to Jews"
    To date I don't own any Steyr firearms and now I never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    When I called Steyr to get replacement stocks for SSG1 sniper rifles we had captured from Syria, I was told very clearly "we do not sell guns to Jews"
    Never understood the anti Jewish mindset. Being German/Irish (75%/25%) and my grandpapa (all German) fought and was severely wounded in The Battle of the Bulge (14th Armor). Jewish people were/are just like anyone else to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYH1 View Post
    Never understood the anti Jewish mindset. Being German/Irish (75%/25%) and my grandpapa (all German) fought and was severely wounded in The Battle of the Bulge (14th Armor). Jewish people were/are just like anyone else to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Such hate is not genetic, it is learned behavior.
    Of course, all hate is learned behavior.

    Could it be though that HK doesn't hate Jews at all but is like a large chunk of the world and doesn't see Israel as a good guy like we do here in the states?

    Asking as someone who frequently trains with my HK's and Tavor on the same range. I'd hate for a turf war to happen out there. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Bell View Post
    I could care less if Israel uses them. I just want to make sure I don’t buy any guns from a company is anti-Israel.
    I'm with you. "I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you."

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    Yoni,

    I'm not doubting you but did the guy at Steyr actually say "Jews" or did they say "Israelis"?

    That'd be like some Gun company saying "We dont sell to blacks" as opposed to "We refuse service to Chad"

    Might've had an A-hole working that day. I dont know. I've had gun people get uppity on the phone when their stuff didnt work or I needed help so I dont doubt it.

    But if he actually said "No sales to Jews" then thats pretty coarse and not good to say.

    Used to it didnt matter if you was black brown, or white.....if yo' money was green, youd be all right.

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