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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    Good Movie.
    I don't know if it was the Theater I was in or if the sound mix was a bit off over all. Hard to hear dialog with the thumping going on.

    Yeah, sometimes the soundtrack got obnoxious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    Good Movie.
    I don't know if it was the Theater I was in or if the sound mix was a bit off over all. Hard to hear dialog with the thumping going on.
    Same here - I noticed this a few times as well. I didn't catch all the conversation.

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    i did nit see the original in the theatre.
    i grew up in a rural area a long drvie from one and was on the poor side.

    i saw rhe TV version on a 13 inch black and white.
    a few years later i saw the vhs on a 20 inch color stero TV,

    in the 90s i started hearing the hes a replicant twist and saw the new cut

    i was fine with the voice overs ans extra escaped ending.

    i watched the original with my son last night and we went ro the movie tonight

    i did not know about the mini tie ins and blackout.

    it was a fantastic piece of cinematography

    rhe score was chilling

    seeing gaff and ford walk out old man style with his piece in hand were great moments

    but, i did not feel fufilled by three hours of an AI romance and continued no answers on dekkard.

    i am also sick of replicants as christ digures.
    roy has the greatest speech in movies history, i did not need spiked palms, white doves, and literally saving man from a fall,
    joe nailed reuly being human, of all the mortal wounds to take, right where jesus tookmthe spear was just too much again

    this movie needs the Ram Air cut.
    no ai love stroy.
    it would be one hour and 45 minutes
    joe would be human from an orphanage
    he would track down dekkard.
    dekkard was both human and a replicant.
    he was a real human blade runner.
    he died, not retired.
    he was relicated and memory implanted.
    sort of like rachel was from tyrells niece.

    big moment
    dekaed dies sacing joe.
    becaused he realized joe was his son,
    after learning he was a replianct and necer knew it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramairthree View Post
    i did nit see the original in the theatre.
    i grew up in a rural area a long drvie from one and was on the poor side.

    i saw rhe TV version on a 13 inch black and white.
    a few years later i saw the vhs on a 20 inch color stero TV,

    in the 90s i started hearing the hes a replicant twist and saw the new cut

    i was fine with the voice overs ans extra escaped ending.

    i watched the original with my son last night and we went ro the movie tonight

    i did not know about the mini tie ins and blackout.

    it was a fantastic piece of cinematography

    rhe score was chilling

    seeing gaff and ford walk out old man style with his piece in hand were great moments

    but, i did not feel fufilled by three hours of an AI romance and continued no answers on dekkard.

    i am also sick of replicants as christ digures.
    roy has the greatest speech in movies history, i did not need spiked palms, white doves, and literally saving man from a fall,
    joe nailed reuly being human, of all the mortal wounds to take, right where jesus tookmthe spear was just too much again

    this movie needs the Ram Air cut.
    no ai love stroy.
    it would be one hour and 45 minutes
    joe would be human from an orphanage
    he would track down dekkard.
    dekkard was both human and a replicant.
    he was a real human blade runner.
    he died, not retired.
    he was relicated and memory implanted.
    sort of like rachel was from tyrells niece.

    big moment
    dekaed dies sacing joe.
    becaused he realized joe was his son,
    after learning he was a replianct and necer knew it
    I'm sorry but that sounds absolutely atrocious, predictable, and the exact cartoon of a movie I am glad they did not make.

    If you are seeing Jesus allegories in BR2049 then you are very much in a minority.

    Roy Batty was designed to be a soldier who discovered an appreciation for life. He knew at the very end he was going to die. Thats why he saved Deckard. Because Deckard was just doing his job as Roy had done in his 4 years. That's why he says briefly about the things he saw you wouldnt believe. Not as a boast but more of an "earn this" type of moment. Deckard had Rachel and an indefinite time. Roy had mere moments and Pris, his lover, was dead.

    The love between two machines was more genuine than between real people. One key scene showed Joi as ride or die.

    As for Deckard being a replicant or not....
    Does it matter?

    Would you feel intellectually satisfied or insulted if some guy (Lessay Will Smith) showed up and said "Ay yo, ya boy Han Solo Jones here is a robot y'all! And he's got swimmers that work. Knaw wha' I mean? Aint that just some shit? MESSAGE!" and bebops out the way so a mindless gun battle can happen?

    The allegory is about slavery. BR2019 was like Colonial era Slavery. Lots of Space Tobeys. Skinjob is like really bigoted. So when they leave the plantation and pull a Nat Turner then they send an Overseer to kill them. Rachel is like a mulato or an Octoroon who can pass and it causes the Overseer to have conflicted feelings.

    BR2049 is more like Civil Rights era where Replicants are second class citizems and Joe is the token black cop "how does it feel to kill your own kind". And being the badass, yet complicated black private dick that he is, the only one who understands him is his woman. So he saunters the ghetto maybe thinking he was a cast off half and half. Getting all hopeful, but The Man is keeping him down. So he meets up with the old Overseer who still sees him as another in the woodpile. But he does the right thing, because it is the right thing to do.

    No Jesus imagery, no trying to save Rammie's eternal soul.

    Just a cat that looks out for his brother man.

    And when the others say more human than human, it isn't meant to be ironic.

    Its that despite the ill gotten gains and systemic racism, they still have feelings.

    TL;DR Blade Runner is about Civil Rights.

    Ya dig? Sho Nuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    I'm sorry but that sounds absolutely atrocious, predictable, and the exact cartoon of a movie I am glad they did not make.

    If you are seeing Jesus allegories in BR2049 then you are very much in a minority.

    Roy Batty was designed to be a soldier who discovered an appreciation for life. He knew at the very end he was going to die. Thats why he saved Deckard. Because Deckard was just doing his job as Roy had done in his 4 years. That's why he says briefly about the things he saw you wouldnt believe. Not as a boast but more of an "earn this" type of moment. Deckard had Rachel and an indefinite time. Roy had mere moments and Pris, his lover, was dead.

    And when the others say more human than human, it isn't meant to be ironic.

    TL;DR Blade Runner is about Civil Rights.

    Ya dig? Sho Nuff.
    Yeah, I definitely wasn't getting a "Jesus-like" vibe. More of a "humanity" is not just confined to "humans" vibe and that it transcends - I can see some parallel in the historical treatment of minorities as subhuman and the Civil Rights movement.

    Interestingly, I took something different from Roy Batty. I took the "Tears in the Rain" speech as a lamentation on how wasteful and narrow-minded humans can be. Here is a guy designed to live for 4 years who has seen things humans wouldn't believe, just to be discarded like a piece of garbage at some arbitrary point, along with everything he's experienced - really more of a sermon to Deckard, whether he knows Deckard is a replicant or not. In the end, Batty demonstrates a higher level of thinking than most humans are capable of. He doesn't let Deckard die because why would he? He's not a mindless drone or a narrow-minded human. Roy never found his "purpose" and he despaired at that - Joe really wanted to be the miracle child, but even after finding out he wasn't, he still found a way to give his life purpose.

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    Yes, the Christ figure stuff is there.
    I think more to say they have a soul, not as an actual Christ.

    I did not create the movie giving characters with stigmata,
    All out like white lighted face, spike through palm, and holding a white dove,
    Or subtle,
    Like the location of a stab wound where Christ was speared.
    Take it up with the filmmaker.

    I am genuinely happy for Firefly,
    If the film was all he hoped and dreamed it would be. No sarcasm.

    I was about as interested in the AI love as I was with the two synthetics playing the flute together in an Aliens movie.
    Well acted, and poignant.
    But I think his need for love and connection would have been better served by another replicant.

    Yes.
    It does matter if he was a replicant or not.
    I would have been happy if he was human.
    I would have been happy if he was a replicant.
    I would have been happy if he was a replicant body with his human brain.
    I would have been happy if he was in his human body with replicant tech keeping him alive.
    But I wanted it determined.

    Of course I did not want the movie Firefly described.
    Yes, I was being sarcastic about the Ramair Cut.


    I found it to be a great piece of cinematography with a great score.
    Well written and fantastically acted.

    But it lacked an efficiency, pace, and clarity I wanted.

    And...
    I wanted the leader of the replicant resistance to be Rutger Hauer. Old, broken, raspy voiced, and barely still alive. A last experiment from the Rachel branch. A Roy without an expiration date.

    I did not in the past, nor do I now find Bladerunner to be a slavery allergory.
    I have always found it to be a man playing God genre with the philosophy of how horrible some humans can be, but how human some non humans can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramairthree View Post
    I have always found it to be a man playing God genre with the philosophy of how horrible some humans can be, but how human some non humans can be.
    I can live with that. Deckart feel in love with a machine, and a machine learned to love "existence" so much that he couldn't kill Deckart. Everyone talks about The Terminator as the ultimate AI film, those who know what they are actually talking about go back to Collusus: The Forbin Project, but honestly Blade Runner translated more deep thought to film on the subject than any other film ever accomplished.

    There really are very few films like it. The fact that the Hollywood majors didn't want to write big checks so they went to the Hong Kong studios of Shaw Bros. which were flush with cash in order to bring the original vision to film with no compromises shows how unique a film it is. It was pre CGI and it still puts most CGI films to shame.

    It also seems to have invented a genre that didn't previous exist, the neo noir science fiction film. Good luck ever seeing one of those again. Minority Report maybe, but not really.
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    It'll be interesting to see if, 20 years from now, this movie will have the same cult status as the original.

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    When Deckard said Rachael was special, he wasn't kidding. Director Denis Villeneuve does a commendable attempt to pay tribute to the first movie, but that's like trying to make Citizen Kane II. Like the original, it's a visually intense movie, but each scene is not a work of art per the original.

    The sound track is heavy and disjointed in spots, and spot on in others. Acting across the board is excellent, even if Gosling still not my first choice, he's solid. If this movie falls short anywhere compared to the original, it's in the dialogue. The original had dialogue I still repeat in my head once in a while, whereas this movie, I can't think of a single scene that will stick in my head.

    "All these moments will be lost in time...like tears in rain...time to die" never leaves my head.

    The evil genius in this movie is more a side character, unlike Tyrell, who was one of the most compelling characters in the original. The movie both pays pays homage to the original, with some characters and scenes being very reminiscent to the first, and many original to this film. By this review one might think I didn't enjoy 2049, but that's not the case at all. This is a must see movie for fans of the original if for no other reason you get to immerse yourself in all things Blade Runner for almost three hours. I don't think it really added anything to the story per se, but it's one of the better movies I have seen in some time, and any time a thinking person's sci-fi movie is made, must be applauded. This one gets an A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I can live with that. Deckart feel in love with a machine, and a machine learned to love "existence" so much that he couldn't kill Deckart. Everyone talks about The Terminator as the ultimate AI film, those who know what they are actually talking about go back to Collusus: The Forbin Project, but honestly Blade Runner translated more deep thought to film on the subject than any other film ever accomplished.

    There really are very few films like it. The fact that the Hollywood majors didn't want to write big checks so they went to the Hong Kong studios of Shaw Bros. which were flush with cash in order to bring the original vision to film with no compromises shows how unique a film it is. It was pre CGI and it still puts most CGI films to shame.

    It also seems to have invented a genre that didn't previous exist, the neo noir science fiction film. Good luck ever seeing one of those again. Minority Report maybe, but not really.
    That may be the reason it puts them to shame. Look at 2001, it still holds up visually, which is pretty damn amazing. CGI done right does not detract, it adds to the visuals, and of course for some things, only CGI works. The girl in girl scene for example.
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