Vegas event gets stranger

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Been attending the great American beer festival for 17 years now and this was the first year metal detectors were used prior to entry. It was justified in response to the vegas shooting.

Not saying that this is why this is all happened, but the increased use of metal detectors and other imaging devices I see as a way to try to curb concealed carry. Try to make more and more places off-limits to conceal carry.

[Todd00000]

I don't think this guy was an islam convert, more like a FBI/BATFE CI. The feds probably popped him on some tax stuff or coming back from a sex tourism holiday in the islands and gave him a choice of either being a stooge or going to club fed for a long time, at his age probably the rest of his life. The FBI and CIA have a history of using such people caught in such circumstances to do their bidding. Check out the rabbit hole that is Bob Fletcher, nothing to do with the 1 October attack but it shows how the government recruits unsuspecting Americans who have international business connections to assist in "national security" interests.

As for the guns left behind, if this was a sting to catch an ISIS sleeper cell acquiring small arms for a Mumbai / Nairobi style attack on the strip and they caught wind to the fact their arms dealer was in fact a CI they could have popped him, carried out an easy attack on site considering the venue, and walked out during the chaos. Small arms are disposable for such actors so no need to lug them out in public and catch the heat. Live to martyr another day and all that.

The first plausible conspiracy theory I've read.

[TMS951]

While I mostly buy the FBI gun runner deal gone wrong plot I'm stuck on one point.

Loading all those mags. That's not a short job. He had plenty of time to do it sitting around in his room, but how long would it have taken another person or a couple people to load over 1000 rounds?

[MegademiC]

Not saying that this is why this is all happened, but the increased use of metal detectors and other imaging devices I see as a way to try to curb concealed carry. Try to make more and more places off-limits to conceal carry.

This, and does nothing to stop someone from [insert any scenario that has happened in the last 5 years here].

It prevents lawful CC, and may prevent gang stuff or fights, but not terrorism.

[usmcvet]

While I mostly buy the FBI gun runner deal gone wrong plot I'm stuck on one point.

Loading all those mags. That's not a short job. He had plenty of time to do it sitting around in his room, but how long would it have taken another person or a couple people to load over 1000 rounds?

Not long at all. A few hours at most. SF magazines with stripper clips would be pretty quick.

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[Alex V]

While I mostly buy the FBI gun runner deal gone wrong plot I'm stuck on one point.

Loading all those mags. That's not a short job. He had plenty of time to do it sitting around in his room, but how long would it have taken another person or a couple people to load over 1000 rounds?

Think about the last carbine training class you took. You could go through 500rds a day easy. How long did it take you to load up mags between drills? I'd say that a 30 round mag takes less than a minute to load. That's about 3 minutes for 90 rounds. So 30 or so minutes for 1,000 rounds.

[26 Inf]

While I mostly buy the FBI gun runner deal gone wrong plot I'm stuck on one point.

Loading all those mags. That's not a short job. He had plenty of time to do it sitting around in his room, but how long would it have taken another person or a couple people to load over 1000 rounds?

I sat and loaded a couple thousand in two Bonanzas a while back. Did they find a Maglula in the room?

[darr3239]

So why would he wait til he was inside his room to load them?

[TMS951]

So why would he wait til he was inside his room to load them?

If he was a lone actor, or actually a participant in the shooting I would think he loaded ahead of time.

If he was selling guns? Idk I wouldn't have that much loaded mags around. I'd have ammo in cases and mags packaged with guns and as separate accessories.

As to the loading of mags by others in the room. I think here most important is mhen he died vs when the shooting started. They would have the time between offing him and opening fire to load mags.

At carbine classes I feel as though you spend all day losing mags. I guess realistically you could hustle and manage a round a second to include unpackaging and what not.


Honestly my opinion at this point was this was a false flag event of sorts. In that he was a lone wolf with an anti gun agenda. He thought an act like this would cause legislation. He acted on that and sacrificed himself for the cause. The gun running thing is second place for me.

[VARIABLE9]

Who says his buyers didn't bring their own mags? Or request seller provide X number of rounds loaded into 100 round Surefire mags?