Uhhh..... dude the 6.0 was around (and performing poorly) well before Obama was in office.
Uhhh..... dude the 6.0 was around (and performing poorly) well before Obama was in office.
The newer they are the more they store. If you "try" to break it by redlining it when it's slipping between gears it will probably record it and then they will just say you broke it on purpose.
If you ever want to see a tech spit chew all over a laptop we had a 16 Dodge Charger that died during a pursuit, had to stop, shut it off, and restart it to get going again. Check engine light wouldn't go away so we took it in. Tech about shit himself when the code said something along the lines of "accelerator pedal position sensor at 100% for too long of duration"
The 7.3 was a good motor but once GM developed the Duramax with Isuzu and released it, Ford ended up needing to scramble to compete. Dodge did too at least to an extent, but the 5.9L Cummins had the potential to make a lot more power with upgraded fuel management, and other tweaks. The old International 7.3L Ford used wasn't so easy to bring to Duramax power levels and still maintain durability. So Ford and International/Navistar gave their buyers the 6.0L Powerstroke, I think an argument could be made that it was a poor stopgap until Ford could develop a competitive Diesel engine.
The 6.4L at least was known to be pretty reliable, but too thirsty and down on power compared to the Duramax and Cummins in actual use.
The new 6.7L seems pretty well regarded by friends who have them.
All that said, the Duramax and Allison transmission combo in the 3/4 and 1 ton market changed the segment radically. In 2001 the Duramax at 300hp and 520lb-ft with a 5 speed automatic transmission as durable as the Allison were mind blowing for a pickup. Keep in mind the 7.3L Powerstroke in 2001 made only 250hp, and the 5.9L Cummins that model year made 245hp. To this day GM's latest versions of this pairing still seem to handily out perform the Ford and Ram offerings in real world performance.
2003-2016 but I'm talking about the VT365 2nd generation. They quit putting them in trucks in 2007 and only used in vans till 2010- ironically it was listed as Wards 10 Best engines in 2003. The Maxxforce 7 6.4L sequential turbo that came after the 6.0L was just a little better and made almost 650lbs of torque. But that engine drank fuel faster than jet engines. I don't know why but Isuzu and Daewoo build the best diesel truck engines in the world. Daewoo manufactures engines for Mercedes, Volvo, Audi, Volkswagen; Isuzu makes engines for Caterpillar, MAN, FMC, GM, Freightliner, General Electric and TUG- of coarse these are all commercial grade engines not consumer.
Per the OP, on the third visit the tech witnessed it with his own two eyes right in front of me while sitting in the passenger seat, and confirmed it on paper. Don't think one can get much more credibility then that in this situation.
I don't think the dealership is being shady at all. I think they have done their best to locate this problem with the vehicle, but have been unable to reproduce it in the shop. Per OP, I'm even willing to bring it in a 4th time, if Ford will at least tell me me what happens if it's not fixed after visit #4. My interest in capturing it on vid is to put it on social media to show what a POS is this vehicle and add pressure, and perhaps show to an attorney, etc, not confirm to Ford Per se. Their own damn tech did that....
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Will, get your lease agreement out and read the fine print. There may be a buyback option in there. If so call them and tell them and ask them what the terms would be to exercise that option. The residual value and terms may not be super attractive but it might get you out of a bad vehicle with a lot less harm to you than just not paying the lease.
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