Heads up clone dorks: Brownells now selling complete Colt M4 lowers ($244 shipped)

[Vegas]

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[3ACR_Scout]

They were complete rifle lowers, or at least that is what the original part of the thread was. A complete rifle lower can be made into a SBR in most states, but turning a rifle into a pistol... not so much.

At some point in the Brownells sale extravaganza, someone over on ARFCOM contacted Colt and Brownells and confirmed (I believe with their lower’s serial number through Colt) that they were complete lowers that left Colt in that configuration and were never built up as rifles. That was why everyone over there was scrambling to get them toward the end because they were the only known batch of Colt lowers that could be built into pistols. The story was that, for whatever reason, Colt sold a large batch of complete lowers to Brownells, but that after those sold out, there wouldn’t be any more because Colt made the announcement that they weren’t going to be selling parts anymore. Supposedly their lawyers were concerned about people building Colt parts up into complete rifles that could make Colt liable for any “misuse” of those rifles. Anyway, I’m not sure about that last part, but it’s apparently possible to verify that these lowers were never built up as complete rifles by contacting Colt with your serial number.

My apologies if you’re already aware of this, but it sounds like some people may not have heard that background story.

[26 Inf]

They were complete rifle lowers, or at least that is what the original part of the thread was. A complete rifle lower can be made into a SBR in most states, but turning a rifle into a pistol... not so much.

I'm not sure what the above new guy is talking about regarding "not being built up", as they were all built up. I'm probably missing something, but after some clown posting on my IG account telling people he would ship guns to their door step, I have to wonder.

Unsure what all the others said, but the Colt box mine came in was labeled 'spares' on the end of the box tag. I'll dig around and see if I can find it for a picture.

[grizzman]

I looked at two of my boxes, with the serial numbers on them, and they both said spares. That's proof enough for me that if was never a rifle.


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[CleverNickname]

They were complete rifle lowers, or at least that is what the original part of the thread was. A complete rifle lower can be made into a SBR in most states, but turning a rifle into a pistol... not so much.

I'm not sure what the above new guy is talking about regarding "not being built up", as they were all built up. I'm probably missing something, but after some clown posting on my IG account telling people he would ship guns to their door step, I have to wonder.

A firearm has to have both a shoulder stock and a rifled barrel to meet the legal definition of a rifle. If a lower has only had a shoulder stock attached to it, and never had a barreled upper attached, then it has never met the definition for a rifle. If it's never been a rifle (just a "firearm"), then you can turn it into a pistol.

[RetroRevolver77]

Delete.

[Stickman]

There is one born every minute Stick. Block/Delete; fire at will

I know there are some people who mistake my comments, but the bottom line comes out to two factors. First, there is nothing in the 2A that permits, allows, or condones anything about stock vs pistols or anything else even close to it. The amendment is clear and concise, and the bastardized rulings are tragic which suggest anything otherwise. The second part of that bottom line is that there are those who will enforce local, state and federal laws regardless. There are two sides to the 2A coin, and they are diametrically opposed to each other.

[10MMGary]

FWIW mine was listed by Brownells as " 100025281
M4 COMPLETE LOWER RECEIVER 5.56X45 "

[bamashooter]

I looked at two of my boxes, with the serial numbers on them, and they both said spares. That's proof enough for me that if was never a rifle.


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My 2 were labeled "spares" as well. I've always been of the understanding that a lower or a lower w/ stock is an "other" unless the manufacturer states otherwise which I've never seen. That's how 3 FFls I know categorize them on the 4473.

[Vegas]

I know there are some people who mistake my comments, but the bottom line comes out to two factors. First, there is nothing in the 2A that permits, allows, or condones anything about stock vs pistols or anything else even close to it. The amendment is clear and concise, and the bastardized rulings are tragic which suggest anything otherwise. The second part of that bottom line is that there are those who will enforce local, state and federal laws regardless. There are two sides to the 2A coin, and they are diametrically opposed to each other.

Putting 2A politics aside, the sad fact is there are people out there like the dolt on your IG that will expose themselves to potential enforcement action through pure ignorance. I guess the flip side are the numbnuts who send letters to the ATF requesting clarification on clarified issues. It takes all sorts to make the world go round.