JFK docs to be released

[CGSteve]

All I know is this, I have the same model Carcano rifle because I enjoy military surplus along with my ARs and other modern tactical guns, and I must say it is the most shitty of all of my milsurps. Not counting the Garand, it holds no candle to any Mauser or Enfield, not even to the Mosin Nagants.

I am not saying the rifle is incapable of such accuracy (which wasn't overly impressive to begin with at the known distance where JFK was shot), it certainly is, but the rifle and its working components are crap. I know researchers and gun enthusiasts with a lot of time and money have recreated the conditions of the shooting, but they must have customized a lot of things because the surplus or reproduction clips for the rifle are garbage, current production ammo has incorrectly sized bullets (I am willing to accept that surplus ammo was more available in the 60s), affecting proper feeding, and the action after firing causes sticky bolt as bad if not worse than on Mosins, which would make it difficult to get several accurate rounds off in a short time frame shooting it at a "combat" pace.

[Diamondback]

Seems to me lke the GOV types whining about Trump complying with the law need their own favorite words turned against them: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."

Sadly, even IF the Official Version of the story is "the truth, whole and nothing but," all the obfuscation, mishandling and coverup over the decades have ensured there will forever be a cloud over ANY official records release.

[SteyrAUG]

Agreed, and for the longest time I figured it was Oswald's idea all along. Maybe that idea wasn't just his? That is what perhaps will be confirmed or raised in it's suspicion level? Who knows.

His own idea or influenced by others aside, it's important to remember he defected to the USSR and was a primary player in the "Hands Off Cuba" movement. So he had some pretty bizarre ideas to begin with all by himself.

[SteyrAUG]

All I know is this, I have the same model Carcano rifle because I enjoy military surplus along with my ARs and other modern tactical guns, and I must say it is the most shitty of all of my milsurps. Not counting the Garand, it holds no candle to any Mauser or Enfield, not even to the Mosin Nagants.

I am not saying the rifle is incapable of such accuracy (which wasn't overly impressive to begin with at the known distance where JFK was shot), it certainly is, but the rifle and its working components are crap. I know researchers and gun enthusiasts with a lot of time and money have recreated the conditions of the shooting, but they must have customized a lot of things because the surplus or reproduction clips for the rifle are garbage, current production ammo has incorrectly sized bullets (I am willing to accept that surplus ammo was more available in the 60s), affecting proper feeding, and the action after firing causes sticky bolt as bad if not worse than on Mosins, which would make it difficult to get several accurate rounds off in a short time frame shooting it at a "combat" pace.

And honestly, if it was a "shadow government" or "foreign plot" operation certainly they would have hooked him up with at least an '03 Springfield. But the Carcano very much fits the "lone dipshit" scenario.

[ABNAK]

It was 88 yards. With a scope that had been zeroed. From a rest. Certainly not impossible, especially if he had even a modicum of practice with it.

I think he did it by himself. No grassy knoll shooter. For years as I grew up it was "....when THEY killed Kennedy". It was mentioned just like that. I was convinced there was a conspiracy. Nowadays I'm pretty sure Oswald was a loner.

Now, as has been mentioned, did he have influence from the Cubans and/or Russians? Let's face it, you couldn't have had a more unsavory character for that era: lived in Russia after his USMC stint, had a Russian wife, and was very pro-Cuban. Today's equivalent would be a guy who left the military and went to join ISIS (our modern arch-enemy, like the Soviets were back then), married a Muslim, and came back to the states and protested against U.S. involvement in the Middle East.

I mentioned previously that I had seen a TV show some years ago that purported evidence was presented to LBJ that Oswald was somehow doing it either for or in sympathy with the Cubans/commies because we tried to kill Castro several times. LBJ knew that the U.S. public would demand retaliation against Cuba militarily for this and he saw it leading to WWIII. We had promised the Soviets that we wouldn't attack Cuba if they withdrew their missiles, but this was not public knowledge at the time (keep in mind only a year after the Cuban Missile Crisis). I can see something like this possibly being revealed in a document dump.



The AD from the SS agent with the AR15 in the follow-on car? Now that is a stretch of epic proportions. Someone would have seen it or heard it as there were people all around.

[Outlander Systems]

If there was direct Soviet involvement, it would have been WWIII. Period. The end.

[WillBrink]

All I know is this, I have the same model Carcano rifle because I enjoy military surplus along with my ARs and other modern tactical guns, and I must say it is the most shitty of all of my milsurps. Not counting the Garand, it holds no candle to any Mauser or Enfield, not even to the Mosin Nagants.

I am not saying the rifle is incapable of such accuracy (which wasn't overly impressive to begin with at the known distance where JFK was shot), it certainly is, but the rifle and its working components are crap. I know researchers and gun enthusiasts with a lot of time and money have recreated the conditions of the shooting, but they must have customized a lot of things because the surplus or reproduction clips for the rifle are garbage, current production ammo has incorrectly sized bullets (I am willing to accept that surplus ammo was more available in the 60s), affecting proper feeding, and the action after firing causes sticky bolt as bad if not worse than on Mosins, which would make it difficult to get several accurate rounds off in a short time frame shooting it at a "combat" pace.

The top US sniper, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock , could not make that shot:

"Retired Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock is likewise skeptical of Oswald's alleged shooting feat. Hathcock is a former senior instructor at the U. S. Marine Corps Sniper Instruction School at Quantico, Virginia. He has been described as the most famous American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited with 93 confirmed kills. He now conducts police SWAT team sniper schools across the country. Craig Roberts asked Hathcock about the marksmanship feat attributed to Oswald by the Warren Commission. Hathcock answered that he did not believe Oswald could have done what the Commission said he did. Added Hathcock:

"Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did". (KILL ZONE, pp. 89-90).

Craig Roberts, sniper (USMC), 26-year police veteran, specialist in sniper and counter-sniper tactics, author of the book Kill Zone, which is a professional sniper’s perspective of the JFK assassination.

[ABNAK]

The top US sniper, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock , could not make that shot:

"Retired Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock is likewise skeptical of Oswald's alleged shooting feat. Hathcock is a former senior instructor at the U. S. Marine Corps Sniper Instruction School at Quantico, Virginia. He has been described as the most famous American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited with 93 confirmed kills. He now conducts police SWAT team sniper schools across the country. Craig Roberts asked Hathcock about the marksmanship feat attributed to Oswald by the Warren Commission. Hathcock answered that he did not believe Oswald could have done what the Commission said he did. Added Hathcock:

"Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did". (KILL ZONE, pp. 89-90).

Craig Roberts, sniper (USMC), 26-year police veteran, specialist in sniper and counter-sniper tactics, author of the book Kill Zone, which is a professional sniper’s perspective of the JFK assassination.

Not to be flippant, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Oswald may have been lucky and JFK unlucky that day in Dallas.

[WillBrink]

Not to be flippant, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Oswald may have been lucky and JFK unlucky that day in Dallas.

Anything is possible to be sure, but just too many incongruities to the event for me to buy it, and I'm not normally given to conspiracy stuff. Best book I have read that just clinched it for me, learning some additional facts I didn't know, was The Third Bullet. If that's not what happened, something like it probably did:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006VFZPBW/

[Outlander Systems]

There was a LOT of hinky shit going on regarding Cuba in the 60s.

http://www.businessinsider.com/penta...f-cuba-2014-12

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1