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    Quote Originally Posted by fledge View Post
    I challenge the negative assumption that it’s a problem for the rich to get richer. Sounds more like a moral sophistry than the truth of economics.
    I guess that depends on how rich you are and whether you are struggling, a lot are.

    The share of private-sector output that goes to labor as wages has shrunken from a 62-66% average during the period from the late 1940's through the early 1970's, to a low of 56% today (Bureau of Labor Statistics). On the flip-side corporate profits are higher.

    If that 62-66% average was still the norm today, you wouldn't hear the bitching about the rich getting richer that exists in the real world.

    The economic truth is that if the middle and lower classes have more money they spend more money, which makes corporations more money, which should give shareholders a modest dividend, and it goes round and round. Right now, I believe the system is out of whack so it doesn't go round and round.

    In a perfect world, the rich would get richer, the middle class would have upward mobility into the ranks of the rich, and the lower classes would see a path to the middle. I don't believe that exists today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    I work in the 'real' economy and everyone is thumbs up for 2018 and 2019. Not silly, stupid encouraged to over excess, but good solid growth. People are investing, building and buying.

    Remember, there was going to be Armagedon if Trump got in and the economy would collapse under his mere prescence...

    So that things are going well, better than under Obama on the investment and growth side. That is saying something. Cookie from Apple can't even say anything bad about the tax cut and has to go out if way to say nothing good about Trump. And in a few weeks, people will start to see changes in their pay checks- and the lie that people won't get a break will be made a lie- as if companies giving bonuses and raises due to the cut weren't enough.

    If someone were on fire and Trump threw a bucket of water on them, the MSM would accuse him of trying to drown the guy.
    Just in case anyone has convenient memory lapse, I'll just leave this nugget from liberal Nobel laureate and economist to the liberal stars, Paul Krugman here...

    Paul Krugman: The Economic Fallout
    By PAUL KRUGMAN

    COMMENT2016-11-09T00:42:44-05:0012:42 AM ET
    It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover?

    Frankly, I find it hard to care much, even though this is my specialty. The disaster for America and the world has so many aspects that the economic ramifications are way down my list of things to fear.

    Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.


    Under any circumstances, putting an irresponsible, ignorant man who takes his advice from all the wrong people in charge of the nation with the world’s most important economy would be very bad news. What makes it especially bad right now, however, is the fundamentally fragile state much of the world is still in, eight years after the great financial crisis.

    It’s true that we’ve been adding jobs at a pretty good pace and are quite close to full employment. But we’ve been doing O.K. only thanks to extremely low interest rates. There’s nothing wrong with that per se. But what if something bad happens and the economy needs a boost? The Fed and its counterparts abroad basically have very little room for further rate cuts, and therefore very little ability to respond to adverse events.

    Now comes the mother of all adverse effects — and what it brings with it is a regime that will be ignorant of economic policy and hostile to any effort to make it work. Effective fiscal support for the Fed? Not a chance. In fact, you can bet that the Fed will lose its independence, and be bullied by cranks.

    So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive....onomic-fallout
    Just to recap:

    Obama didn't reach 3% GDP in 8 years, the only president in the history of the US to not do so. Under Trump? Already surpassed 3% in his 1st year.
    Under Obama, interest rates flatlined at 0.25% for most of his presidency. As a lame duck, they bumped to 0.5% and since Trump got elected? 1.5% and still rising. This is crucial to retirees.
    Under Obama, the stock market generally rose after the bottom of the recession in February 09, but he never did anything to inspire investment or growth due to his emphasis on more regulations, more aggressive IRS actions and his general disdain for the wealthy and corporations. So that growth was slow and prone to jagged downturns from time to time. Under Trump? It's on a smooth and sharp rise.
    The employment rate has been steadily dropping since 2010 and continues to do so, so that one's a draw. What's yet to be determined is what will happen to the underemployed rate? It was pretty bad under Obama, but with major corps reinvesting and repatriating money and jobs, I wouldn't be surprised to see that rate drop more quickly and steadily as well.
    Annual housing starts and building permits have steadily risen since 2011, but they continue to rise under Trump and are currently higher than they've been since 2007, so let's call that one a draw as well.

    So when you look at all of the economic indicators rather than cherry picking, the overall economy is healthier, more robust and more optimistic than it's been since the 2008 recession. Not all the glory be to Trump, but he can't be dismissed and he definitely can't be pointed to as an economically deficient POTUS. Well, unless you're President Obama that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    Just in case anyone has convenient memory lapse, I'll just leave this nugget from liberal Nobel laureate and economist to the liberal stars, Paul Krugman here...
    Krugman is a tool. I'll take Ben Stein, Steven Moore or Larry Kudlow over Krugman all day long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinN4 View Post
    Krugman is a tool. I'll take Ben Stein, Steven Moore or Larry Kudlow over Krugman all day long.
    As a matter of principle, I always want to punch Krugman in the face. Always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    As a matter of principle, I always want to punch Krugman in the face. Always.
    Why dirty your hand? He's got one of those personalities that makes me wish I could steeltoe him in the teeth so hard he's gotta learn to chew with his asshole...
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinN4 View Post
    Krugman is a tool. I'll take Ben Stein, Steven Moore or Larry Kudlow over Krugman all day long.
    I'd take Kudlow drunk and high on cocaine over Krugman.

    Krugman being Krugman the rest of his life is punishment enough. He is so annoying and an elitist that I bet his family and friends were pissed when he won the Nobel prize because they knew they'd never get him to shut up now.

    I can take Robert Reich in small bites, which fortunately is all you'll get of him. His heart is in the right place, but he's like a guy who tries to help, but stands on your cape as you try to superman away. His ideas in net effect keep people down.

    I'd like to see a death match between Reich and Ben Shapiro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    I'd like to see a death match between Reich and Ben Shapiro.
    Ben-NY! BEN-NY! BEN-NY! lol

    My money on Shapiro in first round.
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    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said Wednesday he's concerned that Special Counsel Robert Mueller will choose to go after President Trump on a charge of obstruction of justice.

    "A great worry is that because [Mueller] doesn't have anything really substantial, he may go after obstruction of justice, which would create a constitutional crisis," he said.

    Dershowitz, a Harvard Law professor emeritus and lifelong Democrat, responded on "America's Newsroom" to a new report of Mueller interviewing Trump cabinet members, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/2...uction-justice


    Mueller just showed his hand. It's the Democrats and deep state's last stand.

    Trump *asked* Comey { I *hope* you can leave this go } *He did not order Comey and tell him he *must or *had* to leave it go."

    When I was still at home and living with my mom and dad, dad would sometimes *ask* me I ** hope** you can mow the grass today. My dad did not * tell* me you * have* to mow the grass today. Big, big difference.

    The word " hope" definitions below.

    1. To wish for a particular event that one considers possible. " I hope it rains today"
    2. The longing or desire for something accompanied by the belief in the possibility of its occurrence. " I hope the Cleveland Browns win the Super Bowl next year"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggy View Post
    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said Wednesday he's concerned that Special Counsel Robert Mueller will choose to go after President Trump on a charge of obstruction of justice.
    Wasn't that the game plan all along? Isn't that why all the high power Dem lawyers dropped what they were doing that did not involve crushing Trump and place total focus from as many fronts as possible towards that goal? I thought that is why the Mueller cadre was formed.

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    Or they try to trip him up on some perjury charge. In other words they'll take anything that they can get at this point.
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