Mueller Files first Charges (MUELLER CONTENT GOES HERE)

[Caeser25]

Is there a link to read the actual indictment? Or is it still sealed?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

What is “Conspiracy Against the US’? That sounds bad, but I haven’t seen that before.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Is there a link to read the actual indictment? Or is it still sealed?

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...f-7f735cc70000

Here you go.

[austinN4]

Looks like someone got some money from somewhere they shouldn’t have.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...l-counsel.html

From that link:
"According to the indictment, reviewed by Fox News, between at least 2006 and 2015, Manafort and Gates acted as unregistered agents of the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions, a Ukrainian political party whose leader Victor Yanukovych was president from 2010 to 2014, and the Opposition Bloc. Manafort and Gates generated tens of millions of dollars in income as a result of their work in Ukraine.

"The indictment says that Manafort and Gates laundered the money through scores of the United States and foreign corporations, partnerships and bank accounts in order to hide Ukraine payments from U.S. authorities.

"More than $75 million flowed through offshore accounts. Manafort, alone, laundered more than $18 million which was used by the former Trump campaign chairman to buy property, goods, and services in the U.S. Manafort concealed that income from the U.S. Treasury and the Department of Justice."

If those alleations prove to be true, I say F'em.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

The problem I have is that these guys had been looked at and investigated about this stuff before, but nothing happened. The charge about foreign agent, from what I understand, could be levied against all kinds of people. If he is playing true funky with money laundering, screw him. I wonder what kind of lies he can make up about Trump to save his butt.

[VARIABLE9]

Others have said it here and elsewhere, nothing will come of this versus HRC et al.
Unbelievable but true I suppose.
I had thought maybe Flynn today, some associates speculated Kushner.
It’s really fascinating (frustrating) to see Obummer and Clinton and their ilk be praised and yet no one who can act against them does.

[sundance435]

What is “Conspiracy Against the US’? That sounds bad, but I haven’t seen that before.

If you're getting paid for lobbying work by a foreign government and don't register as a foreign agent, then pretty much all of your work is a "Conspiracy Against the US". I think that's probably the crux of the case against Manafort, that he didn't register as a foreign agent - it's not uncommon to do so and doesn't in itself raise many eyebrows in D.C. Registering as one does limit your access to pols/gov agencies, though, which is probably why people like him don't do it.

[Averageman]

So other than Mueller wanting to use this to flip someone, anyone in to a snitch against Trump, what does this have to do with anything relevant to Mueller's investigation ?
Inn the context of what he was brought back to investigate and what has gone on so far, Mannafort was a known or highly suspected to have committed crimes, he's the low hanging fruit. So if he doesn't flip, what's been accomplished? If he does how can he be believed?

[austinN4]

Registering as one does limit your access to pols/gov agencies, though, which is probably why people like him don't do it.

And you would also have to claim your income from such on your US taxes, another step it appears he ignored.

[glocktogo]

I have a bit of an idea of how that might work.
A political adviser or campaign manager working in multiple countries is likely to move money around a bit. On one hand it might look shady from the outside, but is it really any different than an American Company keeping money moving outside the United States to avoid paying taxes on it?
If for instance I work for the POTUS as an adviser on Russian Politics and work in and out of Russia and several other Countries and ask my payments to be sent overseas is that not legal?
If I work for the Russians at the same time, why wouldn't I ask the money they pay me to be sent to the same or even different offshore accounts? Id that not legal?
Now if I decide to purchase something in a third party Country I would move money from one of my accounts to another to make that purchase. Is that not legal?
Now someone in my immediate circle of business partners or acquaintances, gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Am I guilty by association?

Some of this stuff could be legal, some could be operating in a gray area and some could be illegal in some Countries I work in, but perfectly legal in others. You're fine until the Witch Hunt begins, then you might end up spending quite a bit of that money you've got staying out of jail.

All that being said;
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politic...er-indictments
I would say for the above listed reasons Manafort and Flynn are being charged tomorrow. Being charged might actually mean little due to the evidence would require a bit more scrutiny and the tie would go to the runner.
They would have to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt and it is likely very hard for them to do that.

If what has occurred in the last few days proves anything, it is that Mueller has been got. CNN is a perfect tool for the Socialist Progressives in the DNC and most of all the leaks still exist and they are being allowed to because, well, it works well for the Left.
Mueller should have been canned and run out on a rail when these damned leaks started.

Long to short, it's legal for companies to offshore but not individuals. If you'll remember back, Holder was aggressively prosecuting individuals hiding money in Switzerland during his tenure as AG.

Also long to short, what Mueller got here has ZERO to do with Team Trump tampering with the election process and EVERYTHING to do with deflecting for Team Hillary's tampering with the election process. This is a blatantly political witch hunt favoring the left and the outrageously feckless GOP is going to stand on the sidelines and watch it happen.