They take a few inches to get started. I'm sure you could look for gel test videos on youtube.
They take a few inches to get started. I'm sure you could look for gel test videos on youtube.
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I can't quote the sources do to where I work. You say to choose the right round for the job. It's hard to carry that many different rounds. I just stick with one round at during a carry sequence. I feel that sost, and gold dot cover me for any situation. Your miles may very. I was speak about TAP1. I think it's a very poor round. No penetration. It doesn't hit the 11-12 depth.
Last edited by indianalex01; 11-20-17 at 09:19.
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Youtube gelatin testing, such as “Chopping Block” tends to show cavity necks (the unexpanded part) to be 0.25” - 1” with most soft points, including the cheapo steel cased stuff. This is about as good as it gets for rapid expansion. The non-bonded soft points of both US and foreign manufacture tend to retain less weight and penetrate from 10” - 12”, which is sub-optimal. Bonded soft points, such as Gold Dot and Fusion, go deeper and still have the short necks that indicate rapid expansion.
I haven't tested the 64gr PP in gelatin but I do use it for hunting and it's proven very effective in my real world test on living flesh.
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If the soft points are not bonded, you will not get very deep penetration with 223/5.56 caliber bullets.
From my testing, bonded bullets penetrated twice as far as non bonded. I've shot varmints with non bonded soft points, and the non bonded softpoints act like varmint bullets, violently and rapidly expanding, literally blowing up varmints. As well, all the non bonded bullets I recovered from testing had core from jacket separation.
Example.
Sierra gameking 65gr ( non bonded soft point ). Penetrated through drywall, penetrated 1 water jug, then stopped in 2nd water jug. Core from jacket separation, didn't retain much weight.
Nosler ballistic tip 60gr ( varmint bullet ) , exact same performance as above, but even less retained weight.
Nosler bonded performance 64gr soft point. Penetrated dry wall, penetrated 4 water jugs, stopped in 5th water jug. Retained nearly all it's weight, no jacket separation.
I've tested many bonded, and non bonded bullets. The results were all nearly identical with 223/5.56 caliber bullets.
Most bonded soft points will start to expand anywhere from half an inch- 2 inches depending on the media it is penetrating from my experience.
At the end of the day, I wouldn't worry too much about bullet selection. You should focus more on training, because pretty much any bullet flying out of an AR15 will kill something dead with a good shot.
I've also watched a deer survive a gut shot with a 30-06, so in my opinion shot placement is more important than the latest wiz bang bullet.
Bonded softpoints expand within an inch. The more velocity the more violent the expansion. Gold Dots expand down to 1700 FPS or even lower. They are amazing. Most modern softpoints do real good with short barrels. I have taken a deer with 62GN GD with a 10.5 inch LMT AR. As you know I just took a deer with a MK318 SOST OTM. Both where devastating.
Nosler ballistic tips are only good for varmints. Expand and frag to fast with very little penetration (same problem TAP has) Sierra Game King in 55gn is used by many LE agencies on lower west coast and warmer areas. They frag but give adequate penetration for law-enforcement use. It's a really good loud but I would still rather have a bonded soft point or a SOST round.
Last edited by indianalex01; 11-20-17 at 22:40.
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That would need to be quantified, and there's more discussion to be had about particular bullets. For example, Hornady's 60 JSP and 60 Nosler Partition will run deep. Construction, velocity, barriers, all matter. Bonded is just one variable.
I'd say give it diligence, but don't get lost in the weeds.At the end of the day, I wouldn't worry too much about bullet selection.
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Again, pardon the interruption. You continue to lump the entire TAP product line together making you factually wrong. I count a total of eleven TAP part numbers between .223 and 5.56. GMX is part of the TAP product line, doesn't fragment and there's no shortage of penetration with that TAP round. Hornady says that TAP round, "Turns cover into concealment". Part number 8126N, also part of the TAP product line, is designed to upset and fragment and acts similarly to the SOST.
I do not equate gelatin testing to terminal performance but in Hornady's own testing, the 8126N penetrates 10.5", upsets within an inch and retains half it's weight when shot into bare gel. That's pretty good performance. The 8126N and a couple other fragmenting rounds have served people well over the years, it's just that this type of bullet has been eclipsed by the bonded, or barrier blind rounds of new.
I'm not defending or advocating either, it's just the lumping together of the entire TAP product line gets my OCD worked up a little. No biggie. Have a good day. Carry on.
Last edited by Butch; 11-21-17 at 04:38. Reason: typo
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