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    Quote Originally Posted by bababoris View Post
    It’s a better option compared to a golf club or a baseball bat but not compared to a Glock or a shotgun IMO. Unless your dad is preparing for the zombie apocalypse an AR over complicates things. But better than nothing


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    It's mind blowing to me that this mentality still exists. Care to backup your claims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorinInTheWoods View Post
    Fair enough, I built that for him back in July and decided to do video and thread while I'm on leave with him. But do you guys have anything that I did not cover for a HD gun, do you guys have a preference on ammo do you think a 16" AR would be better? I'm talking strictly a house not a house plus a few acres with it.
    I run 64 gr. G.D. in my "truck gun" pistol.
    Has proven accurate (A/C hits to 200 yds.), completely reliable and quite maneuverable.

    I'll echo the electronic hearing protection- and/or suppressor for a house gun.
    It's gonna be vicious loud in a bedroom/hallway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorinInTheWoods View Post
    I agree. I have a silencer tech thread on can that I could put on. I'm wanting to get a surefire 300 sps and a socom 556. Being in the military makes it kind of difficult for me since it's like am I even going to be in the same place long enough to pick it up when it's out of nfa jail.
    yea that grossly complicates a complicated situation. I would just wait until you start to settle down a bit. A can is nice but not necessary. Ive always thought a good set of electronic earmuffs by the bed that enhanced my hearing would be nice in lieu of a can. better hearing and no massive concussion.

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    First, let me stipulate that I have no "applied" experience beyond the "Briefcase/Bugout Bag PDW" an LEO buddy and I cooked up.

    Starting from front to rear:
    1. Definitely some kind of concussion management system is in order--ideally a suppressor, but if your area is NFA-unfriendly or you don't wanna fight with the ATF paperwork at least a blast shield like Ferfrans CRD, Strike Industries Oppressor, Fortis Control or Indian Creek BFD at minimum.
    2. Unless you have length restrictions, a 12.5" barrel seems to be about the sweet-spot from what I've read--handier than a fullsize M4, less beastly on blast etc. and better ballistics than a 10.3-10.5". In Stickman's words, "the [12.5"] GL/SSC out-Mk 18's the [10.3"] Mk 18."
    3. When under stress and the adrenal dump hits, less moving parts to fight with is better--unless you need a magnified optic, I'm a big fan of fixed front-sight posts (keep all the moving parts concentrated on the back end), and for something that "discreet carry" or "low profile" are not a consideration might consider a fixed rear BUIS too. (Exception being eye trouble--I'm a big fan of Diamondhead sights due to my horrible eyes, and visual needs trump fixed/folding. You can ALWAYS leave a folder deployed...)
    4. I like longer handguards because of additional room to mount accessories, or to reposition them based on ergonomic needs.
    5. Short barrels tend to be harder on wear and reliability--definitely either a Geissele Super 42 or Vltor A5 buffer system. If you need a shorter LOP or have to fight with an OAL restriction, Geissele gets the nod since it fits into a standard CAR/M4-length tube, but if you have the room Vltor's worth the extra 3/4". (A5 is basically the original fixed-stock recoil system in a telestock/pistol tube and a shorter but same weight buffer.)
    6. If low overall weight is a concern, either Shockwave Blade or no brace. If balance is more important than OA weight and you like things tail-heavy, look to the SB braces and their mag-carrier and add-on bag accessories.
    7. Building on the prior, while it adds weight I'm a BIG fan of having a few spare mags mounted right on the weapon so you don't need to worry about grabbing a carrier.

    To elaborate on "onboard mag carriage," there are many ways to do this. The oldest is to couple two mags together with clamps, or duct-tape 'em for a "drop, flip, shove in, reloaded." CAA makes a rail-mount carrier designed for one of their stocks that works just as well on a fore-end rail. If you're above 26" OAL, you can use FAB Defense's mag-carrier foregrip; below 26", attaching this part makes an NFA AOW. As noted above, SB has a carrier that nestles neatly into the middle of their braces--in theory you could lash one to either side of a Shockwave Blade, but in practice Marty at Shockwave is concerned that *any* alteration might jeopardize the "not a stock" classification. So for a Kino or GL/SSC pistol, with one carrier on each side-rail, one in the foregrip and one in the brace, that's four spares ready to go plus the one in the well--and if you use coupled mags everywhere except the brace, you've got 270 rounds on tap, more than the standard infantry combat-load (IIRC, only 7 mags). Taking this to a ludicrous extreme, if you have Hulk strength you could do a D60 drum in main and foregrip (120 rounds), coupled 40-round PMags in forearm carriers (2x80 = 160, total 280), and if you have a long enough arm to run the brace out that far, another 40-rounder for a final total of 320 rounds.
    EDIT TO ADD: If you really want to get truly ridiculous, slap the new Odin Works 5-round extenders and couplers on. You might be able to squeak coupled 40's onto the SB carrier, so adding +5's that brings the Ludicrous Load up to 390 rounds--one USGI mag away from a full spam-can right there on the gun. Dumping the drums for paired-and-+5'ed 40's, that would get you a whopping, just plain STUPID four hundred fifty rounds on the gun... but how do you expect to HOLD it? LOL

    After I've had a chance to watch your video with audio (I'm in a sound-unfriendly environment as I type this) I'll put up the 10.3 I have under construction and the 12.5 I'm penciling out in the name of sharing ideas and inspiration.
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    I agree some electronic muffs are great because they can amplify sound. I was watching a Clint Smith talks about the purpose of a light on your gun is to identify something in the dark and help you flip the light switch in your own house. I think that is a good point. Everyone talks about having a light to ID but you never hear anyone talk about something as simple as getting to the light and flip it on. I also think a sling is an overlooked piece of gear.

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    So what are you guys running ammo wise for AR pistols for actual defense?

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    I typically run an AR for HD, however if I ran my MP5, it would be with Gold Dots or Federal HST's. From the 135 147 variety. I like these bullets as they are good and not a $1.00 a round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappabear View Post
    I typically run an AR for HD, however if I ran my MP5, it would be with Gold Dots or Federal HST's. From the 135 147 variety. I like these bullets as they are good and not a $1.00 a round.

    PB
    Well for your AR what ammo do you run? I'm referring to using a 5.56/.223 AR pistol not a pistol caliber AR.

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    All my SBR's are sighted in with 77grain SMK bullets, so thats the deal. I did buy some Gold Dots 62 grain thinking traditional hollow point, but did not really load the mags and sight in with them. I don't have a pistol AR per se, but SBR's kinda the same.

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    I would put a small laser up front, along with enough of a light for target identification.

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