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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpg366 View Post
    I would put a small laser up front, along with enough of a light for target identification.
    This too. Pistol-size versions like a Lasermax Uni-Max and a Streamlight TLR size-class, with a tape-switch on the laser. CAUTION: Wall O' Text ahead!

    Right now, even though I haven't had a chance to watch OP's vid, my pencil-outs... the 10.3 is at "Non-Firearm Mockup" assembled around an EPL blank, the 12.5 and 14.5 are still at "concept" stage.

    Starting at the front:

    UPPER RECEIVER GROUP
    Muzzle Devices: [all three] Precision Armament AFAB or EFAB flash arrestor/brake hybrid shrouded by Indian Creek BFD or similar blast shield
    URG: 10.3": Milspec Mk 18 FSP; 12.5" Milspec GL/SSC lo-pro; 14.5" Milspec M4 FSP
    BCG's (all): Toolcraft milspec, black nitride
    Handguards: 10.3" Vltor CASV-EL; 12.5" undecided long (debating between 10.75" URX II or if I can find one an 11-12" 8-side M-lok); 14.5" DD M4 RIS II FSP
    Front Sights: 10.3" integral FSP with Arisaka Mossie Mount; 12.5" rail-mount fixed; 14.5" integral FSP with CAA or GG&G side-rails
    Rear Sights: [all three] Diamondhead rear folder (wish they made fixed versions!)
    Lasers: 10.3" Lasermax Uni-Max on Arisaka Mossie FSP mount; 12.5" same, as far forward as possible on top-rail; 14.5 same as 12.5"
    Lights: 10.3" Olight PL-1 II on side-rail; 12.5" TLR, PL-1 II or similar on top of laser; 14.5" same as 12.5"
    Optics: 10.3" DI Optical FC1 no-riser; 12.5" and 14.5" FC1 with riser
    Left-side rail: 10.3" and 12.5" CAA MPS magazine carrier with 40-round PMAG; 14.5" either as shorter builds or two MPS'es with 30-round PMAGs
    Right-side rail: 10.3" F to R light, FAB VTS thumbrest, tape-switch for laser; 12.5" and 14.5" as 10.3 but without light
    Bottom rail: 10.3" FAB PTK angled foregrip; 12.5" F to R FAB PTK and MG20 mag-carrier foregrip with Magpul D60 drum; 14.5" FAB T-Pod folding bipod-grip and MG20 w/D60
    In a nutshell, we're basically talking mil-spec URG's so far other than the MD's, rail-mount accessories and the sights/optics which were chosen specifically with bad eyes like mine in mind--I can't read a handicap parking sign from the other end of the parking space without my glasses.

    LOWER RECEIVER GROUP: Pretty much the same across all three builds. Differences as noted.
    Lower receiver and LPK: Any quality milspec will do. As a southpaw I like the Arms Unlimited ambi mag-catch.
    Grip: Whatever fits you best. For discreet carry I like FAB AGF-43S folders, but I've had better luck with those (and with the company in general!) than most.
    Buffer system: Geissele Super 42 or Vltor A5, with LAW sidefolder on 10.3" - useful option for truck/bugout-bag builds.
    Brace: SB Tactical SBM4 with 40-round PMAG in center-tunnel. Brace strap loosened allowing mag to slide fore/aft as needed.
    Mag in well: 10.3" 10-round PMAG (this is a "briefcase carry" concept); 12.5" and 14.5" Magpul D60 drum.

    All in all, the basic concept was "barely de-NFA'ed versions of issue models, with tweaks where warranted to fit operator biomechanics, visual or carriage needs;" the mag carriers are there so if I don't have time to grab LBE along with the weapon I at least have SOMETHING right there to fight with. Would appreciate feedback from anyone who's done similar builds, and hope they give some useful ideas and inspiration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorinInTheWoods View Post
    Well for your AR what ammo do you run? I'm referring to using a 5.56/.223 AR pistol not a pistol caliber AR.
    In my 5.56 Pistol I run 55 grain Nosler Ballistic tips. My HD Pistol though is a 300BLK loaded with 115 GRN Lehigh Controlled Chaos.

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    This is the first time ive heard of someone using an AR pistol as a serious use gun. I was always under the impression an AR pistol would just be a range toy.
    I've recently decided I didn't want to go through with the whole SBR process so this may be a way to have a more maneuverable, compact weapon in a rifle caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysop View Post
    This is the first time ive heard of someone using an AR pistol as a serious use gun. I was always under the impression an AR pistol would just be a range toy.
    I've recently decided I didn't want to go through with the whole SBR process so this may be a way to have a more maneuverable, compact weapon in a rifle caliber.
    I was skeptical and looked at the PCC's available and decided to bite the bullet a couple years ago and build one. I run it like a carbine, I tried other methods and cheek weld works so much better for me. I have been using the platform for 4 decades in the Army and LE so for me it was a no-brainer. Consider that it has less recoil than a PCC. I run mine in IDPA rifle side matches against guys with PCC's and carbine and beat most of them.


    300 BLK.jpg115 Controlled Chaos 50 yards.jpg

    7.5" 300 BLK. That is a 50 yard group with the Bushnell TRS25 and Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysop View Post
    This is the first time ive heard of someone using an AR pistol as a serious use gun. I was always under the impression an AR pistol would just be a range toy.
    I've recently decided I didn't want to go through with the whole SBR process so this may be a way to have a more maneuverable, compact weapon in a rifle caliber.
    Not a bad alternative especially given the increased capacity, maneuverability, etc. Barrel length would be a primary consideration based on your individual perceived needs. Assorted calibers have their +s / -s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk View Post
    I was skeptical and looked at the PCC's available and decided to bite the bullet a couple years ago and build one. I run it like a carbine, I tried other methods and cheek weld works so much better for me. I have been using the platform for 4 decades in the Army and LE so for me it was a no-brainer. Consider that it has less recoil than a PCC. I run mine in IDPA rifle side matches against guys with PCC's and carbine and beat most of them.


    300 BLK.jpg115 Controlled Chaos 50 yards.jpg

    7.5" 300 BLK. That is a 50 yard group with the Bushnell TRS25 and Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos.
    That's nice. Hard to beat that accuracy. Is it zeroed at 50 yards? Is that with the stock extended? I put a little TRS-25 HiRise on something (lol) weeks ago. Not bad. Got it from Midway for around 60.00 or so w/ free shipping when they were having some kind of special sale on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamashooter View Post
    That's nice. Hard to beat that accuracy. Is it zeroed at 50 yards? Is that with the stock extended? I put a little TRS-25 HiRise on something (lol) weeks ago. Not bad. Got it from Midway for around 60.00 or so w/ free shipping when they were having some kind of special sale on it.
    Zero'd @ 50 yards. There is no stock to extend, it is a pistol buffer tube. I don't like any of the braces.

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    8.5 inch .300 blk Noveske,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk View Post
    Zero'd @ 50 yards. There is no stock to extend, it is a pistol buffer tube. I don't like any of the braces.
    Thanks. Should really get my eyes checked (lol).

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