Feinstein at it again (again). AWB 2017.

[ABNAK]

We have a member that use to post here, Belmont31R who got a ring on his doorbell by an ATF agent that had a copy of multiple 4473s he had filled out for semi-automatic rifles, mostly ARs. He went to the FFL that he mostly dealt with and they confirmed ATF Agents had recently went through their files looking for persons that purchased multiple semi-automatic handguns and rifles.

The thread is on here from several years ago, I can't find it at the moment but it's there.

IIRC he lived near the border and they were "checking up" on purchasers of multiple semi-autos to see if they were ending up being sent across the border (oh the hypocrisy!).

[AKDoug]

Yes, which was my point. As mentioned by blade 68, I do not doubt that 4473's are stored in some data base.

Only the 4473's that are turned in when a FFL shuts down business. I bet that is less than 25% of 4473's that have been processed. NICS checks are probably logged as well, but they don't get the information about the firearm; just whether it was a transfer of a long gun, hand gun or other. In fact, they don't even know how many long guns are being transferred. I can do an unlimited amount of firearms on one single 4473.

[ABNAK]

Only the 4473's that are turned in when a FFL shuts down business. I bet that is less than 25% of 4473's that have been processed. NICS checks are probably logged as well, but they don't get the information about the firearm; just whether it was a transfer of a long gun, hand gun or other. In fact, they don't even know how many long guns are being transferred. I can do an unlimited amount of firearms on one single 4473.

Isn't there a separate form that has to be filed with purchases of multiple handguns?

[Moose-Knuckle]

IIRC he lived near the border and they were "checking up" on purchasers of multiple semi-autos to see if they were ending up being sent across the border (oh the hypocrisy!).

I think he lived in Austin which is over 200 miles north of the border.

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Isn't there a separate form that has to be filed with purchases of multiple handguns?

Yes. But not rifles or “other.” My FFL filled one out “for two or more,” he said, but I don’t know if it’s it’s sent anywhere but the folder in the safe.

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Yes. But not rifles or “other.” My FFL filled one out “for two or more,” he said, but I don’t know if it’s it’s sent anywhere but the folder in the safe.

Actually, in border states multiple purchases of semi-auto rifles are reported to ATF also.

[fledge]

Actually, in border states multiple purchases of semi-auto rifles are reported to ATF also.

Thank you. Good to know. The ATF is directly notified that day?

[THCDDM4]

It's obvious that every single firearm and firearm related purchase is tracked, logged and known by whichever alphabet agency wants the info.

You're fooling yourself if you think the ATF and other fed.gov agencies aren't tracking ALL 4473's and all purchases of ammo, mags, armor, etc.

We live in the age where privacy is only attainable by living in a cave in the middle of nowhere with no electronics whatsoever. For all intents and purposes, our entire lives are open books if someone wants the info.

[Doc Safari]

Thank you. Good to know. The ATF is directly notified that day?

I think it's a form similar to multiple handgun purchases and the FFL reports the multiple sale. Someone with a dealer's license in one of the border states affected can probably give you the gory details. I've never had to worry about it.

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I just found this:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ts-surrogates/

21 Gun Controls Currently Being Pushed by Senate Democrats and Their Surrogates

Senate Democrats and their surrogates in various groups are currently pushing 21 new gun controls for law-abiding citizens.
These controls range from an all-out ban on semiautomatic firearms to regulations on single shot muzzleloaders and limits on the number of guns someone can pass to a felon.

Breitbart News outlined the first nine of these gun controls on October 11. They were:

Ban on Bump Stocks – Sen. Dianne Feinstein is pushing this with her Automatic Fire Prevention Act. She admits that bump stocks are an accessory—that they do not convert semiautomatics into automatics—but she wants to ban them anyway. Her bill explicitly bans any accessory that allows an increase in rate of fire in short bursts but does “not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun.”
Ban on Trigger Cranks – Sen. Feinstein’s bill bans trigger cranks too. Like the bump stock, trigger cranks are another novelty that gun owners can use to achieve short, rapid bursts of fire. Such cranks allow a gun owner to mimic automatic fire yet do not convert a semiautomatic gun into an automatic one.
Ban on Semiautomatic firearms – Sen. Feinstein voiced support for this ban during her appearance on Face the Nation, and the Washington Post pushed for such a ban two days later.
Implementation of Universal Background Checks – Sen. Chris Murphy used an appearance on State of the Union to stress that a bump stock ban is only the beginning for Democrats. They plan to follow that ban with the implementation of universal background checks, which means private gun sales would require a background check just like retail sales. Democrats claim these checks would save lives, yet Sen. Murphy and others ignore the fact that the Vegas attacker purchased his guns via background checks, as did so many attackers before him. The real reason Democrats want universal background checks is because such checks require a gun registry to be enforceable. Therefore, the implementation of such checks would immediately lead to one more gun control: a gun registry.
Ban on “Assault Weapons” – Sen. Murphy also mentioned an “assault weapons” ban, suggesting it would be next in line after background checks. The Los Angeles Times called for an “assault weapons” ban as well.
Ban on “High Capacity” Magazines – The Los Angeles Times also called for a ban on “high capacity” magazines, describing them as one of the most dangerous aspects of “assault weapons.” The Times points to attacks like ones on Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, and the San Bernardino County Building as justifications for an “assault weapons” ban that contains a “high capacity” magazine ban. In so doing, the Times overlooks the fact that all three attacks—Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, and San Bernardino—occurred in gun-free zones. This means the attackers had no threat of armed response and could take their time, reloading as often as needed. In such scenarios magazine capacity is a moot issue.
Opposition to Concealed Carry – Breitbart News reported that Sen. Feinstein took time to argue against concealed carry for law-abiding citizens during an appearance on Face the Nation. Speaking of concealed carry she said, “I don’t believe it’s protected by the Constitution.”
Opposition to National Reciprocity – Sen. Feinstein also voiced opposition to the national reciprocity legislation currently pending before Congress. She said, “Well, my opinion of that bill is it’s terrible. … [Do] we want every American to feel comfortable packing a concealed weapon around the country?”
Australian-style Gun Ban – The Washington Post put forward the idea in an October 9 editorial.

Numerous others have flooded in since the introduction of those original nine. The newest suggested controls include regulation on single shot muzzleloaders. In fact, Gabby Giffords gun control group suggests muzzleloaders could be the next bump stock. Her group also wants gun control on “high capacity shotguns,” binary triggers, “AK and AR style pistols,” arm braces for AR style pistols, “AR pistol blade stabilizers,” .50 caliber rifles, .50 caliber ammunition, and tracer rounds for various calibers of firearms.

Giffords’ group seeks to substantiate their call for a ban on tracer rounds by writing, “Tracer rounds allow a shooter to see where rounds are tracking at night.”

Two other gun controls are being pushed by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY). The first of the two is a federal ban on firearms trafficking. She is pushing this ban although such trafficking is already clearly prohibited via ATF background check form 4473. LIBN reports that Gillibrand is also again pushing the Hadiya Pendleton and Nyasia Pryear-Yard Gun Trafficking & Crime Prevention Act, which “would make it illegal to sell purchase, or transfer two or more firearms to someone whom the seller knows, or has reasonable cause to know, is a felon or convicted domestic abuser.”

Lastly, the 21st gun control currently being pushed is regulation on so-called “ghost guns.” These are guns that are legal to manufacture at home, but require a significant amount of know-how and equipment to accomplish. The establishment media is currently pointed to two crimes committed with “ghost guns” as justification for a new federal law to regulate the sale, manufacture of the firearms.

My take: new restrictions on muzzle loaders? Really? REALLY?