Switzerland Police call on citizens to surrender weapons

[Co-gnARR]

Context:

Switzerland has a diminishing birth rate, a homogenous if slightly confederised group of cantons that are typically bilingual if not trilimgual. They have an extreme taxation and are effectively socialist. They are also border to several countries who are taking in migra ts by the trainload who brimg nothing to the table. Switzerland, however, has relatively decent migrant control.

What does this mean?

A lot of old or widowed people are turning their stuff in because they don't want to bother with selling it outright and simply just dont want to deal with a gun they cannot shoot.

I doubt a lot of those guns will be destroyed. Likely resold tp dealers or end up in some Swiss cops' safes.

This is not confiscation nor is this any different than America where most people voluntarily turning it in are old people or pissed off divorcees.

I dont k ow what tbe real point pf this video is.

If I have no children, younger longtime companion, or living family when I get old; check the EE. I will unload everything. And not feel bad about it.

If I cant shoot or enjoy stuff anymore then it does me no good

I might keep like ONE 9mm pistol for SD and the EMT who helps haul off my dead body is welcome to it if I keel over with it in my pocket.

So there it is

Thank you for the refreshing and realistic perspective.

[tb-av]

Too bad the NRA can't buy them and put into use in youth programs over here. Perhaps free arms to women that have been the subject of violence that perhaps can't afford a weapon with training and ammo.

[Moose-Knuckle]

I doubt a lot of those guns will be destroyed. Likely resold tp dealers or end up in some Swiss cops' safes.

You doubt? Well I don't, but I would be eager to read any source you have suggesting otherwise. Historically guns turned in result in their destruction; Australia, UK, US, et al. And that is the real tragedy here, Switzerland is an old country with lots of antiques those older firearms should be in a museum or a collection somewhere and the later Swiss Arms rifles would fetch a heavy price for any importer who would go through the hoops.

This is not confiscation nor is this any different than America where most people voluntarily turning it in are old people or pissed off divorcees.

Didn't see anyone suggest it was and the difference is idiots here who turn in guns to the police typically turn in Hi-Points, sawed-off single shot 12 gauge wall hangers, Fudd fodder, Saturday night specials, etc. not Stgw 57s and 55x series rifles and carbines.

I dont k ow what tbe real point pf this video is.

Well I'm not the producer but I'd surmise it was a news piece detailing a Swiss LE campaign for citizens to turn in unwanted firearms since they are pushing "each weapon represents a danger for the population".

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912- a good read to get you up to date with Switzerland's gun culture.

I could barely make it through that, typical MSM anti-gun hit piece. Except this time it was one about Switzerland.

[Firefly]

Actually even in America if a gun is cleared by ATF and not in evidence; It can be and a lot of times is resold to dealers at auction.

How do I know? Because Younger Man Firefly sat up in Property Room sorting cleared guns to go to dealers. Everything from Semi auto pistols, to sears roebuck shotguns and even a few, hold on, ARs.

:O

Anything else was held in evidence or destroyed if so ordered by ATF.
I dunno the full breadth of your LE experiencd but there it is.

and they have a point. Each weapon DOES pose a danger to the community.

If Herr Freiderich is too old and has no heirs and some Migrant Dreamers want an easy rip off, there you go.
I figure you wouldnt want people like that getting guns so they can go play Taharrush or All the Snackbars.

A lot of these towns are a train ride away from France

But hey, don't let me stop you from being uninformed.
Also unless you moved to Europe recently, why do you care what other people do a world away?

Lots of US buybacks going on monthly that make the news.

But you do you

[Moose-Knuckle]

Actually even in America if a gun is cleared by ATF and not in evidence; It can be and a lot of times is resold to dealers at auction.

How do I know? Because Younger Man Firefly sat up in Property Room sorting cleared guns to go to dealers. Everything from Semi auto pistols, to sears roebuck shotguns and even a few, hold on, ARs.

Anything else was held in evidence or destroyed if so ordered by ATF.
I dunno the full breadth of your LE experiencd but there it is.

It wasn't until 2013 when House Bill 1421 passed in the Texas legislature that law enforcement agencies in the state were permitted to sell found or unclaimed firearms to FFLs. The same bill also provides that said agencies may sell confiscated firearms that are left unclaimed after cases that were never prosecuted or did not result in a conviction.

Prior to the passing of that particular piece of legislation firearms that found their way into the possession of law enforcement agencies in the state were required to be repurposed for law enforcement use or be destroyed.

And any firearms that "found their way to some cops safes" would be a serious breach of the law but YMMV.

and they have a point. Each weapon DOES pose a danger to the community.

As do 2x4's, garden hoses, automobiles, trampolines, rocks, pointy sticks, and mean old words . . . yet they only seemed to be focused on firearms for some reason.

If Herr Freiderich is too old and has no heirs and some Migrant Dreamers want an easy rip off, there you go.
I figure you wouldnt want people like that getting guns so they can go play Taharrush or All the Snackbars.

So people should surrender firearms to prevent pre-crimes, now where have I heard that before . . .

A lot of these towns are a train ride away from France

And water is wet.

But hey, don't let me stop you from being uninformed.

Since you now present yourself as a SME on Swiss cantonal police practices could you please enlighten my uninformed self on just exactly what they are doing with all these firearms that are turned in? I'm specifically interested in the firearms of historical value.

Also unless you moved to Europe recently, why do you care what other people do a world away?

Why do you "care" so much what other people do a world away that you feel the need to post multiple times in this thread? Unless of course you moved to Europe recently.

Lots of US buybacks going on monthly that make the news.

Besides water being wet, the sky is blue.

But you do you

Thanks for the advice, I awake each morn and thank The Great Spirit that I am who I am.

[Firefly]

Wow.....just wow.

First of all, I can't help Texas law. I know people think it is some gun bastion but its not really compared to other places.

I cannot speak to your foreign travel/ general life experiences but I have been to Europe only guns (even like in general) were not really my main point of interest.

If it bothers you that some guns you couldn't afford or own are getting destroyed then that is a personal problem. Several opportunities to have owned a SG 55x in the US.

Equating guns with other implements is just asinine. But per that you do get carded buying machetes in certain locales.

Lessay what we'll call the Swiss ATF and our own ATF plus State Dept and Customs said all the STG 57s and SG 550s turned in can be resold in America. Do you, right now, Moose Knuckle have enough money laying about where such an opportunity would be relevant factoring in import costs etc?

Those guns are not cheap even in Switzerland.

If you want to be contrarian, fine. But you arent making much sense on this issue.

So....I'm Audi 5000

[tb-av]

and they have a point. Each weapon DOES pose a danger to the community.

Actually the data presented at the collection indicates they pose no danger but also offer no usefulness to the owner. "In a closet for 20 years" " locked in a safe for decades"... Not a single person said they had become a danger. So you have decades of actual specific data indicating they have not been and are not a danger. This would suggest that any similarly responsible person that might obtain the weapon would have similar results.

[tb-av]

Equating guns with other implements is just asinine.

The FDA, your doctor and Pharmacist don;t think so.

"Use care when operating a car or dangerous machinery"

[Firefly]

Lots of conflation here.

A weapon is a weapon. Granted it might sit undisturbed but if some old person with no heirs gets ripped off then thats another gun in wrong hands. I dont think goon squads should be Wacoing grandma Moses(and they arent) but they have the option to dispose of weapons they dont want. Again, I doubt they will all be destroyed

If you and Moose wanna save every gun. Go for it. Switzerland is an unusual country.

Playing semantics on drugs. Dont drink and shoot either.

You are looking for a grand anti-gun deal snd I'm sorry but I just don't see it.

[tb-av]

You are looking for a grand anti-gun deal snd I'm sorry but I just don't see it.

I'm not looking for anything. If they want to give up their guns, it's their own business.

Firearms are one of the few solutions to certain types of danger and are never a danger in and of themselves to any more degree than anything else man has ever invented.

A weapon is a weapon.

.. and that truth is contextually insignificant. Decades of those firearms posed no societal danger. They may, as a weapon, have been used to put food on the table or for self preservation.

Call them what you want. Call them death machines. It doesn't change the factual data that those guns were not and had not been a danger to society as proved by the citizens through a decades long possession and accounting for them. Yet... the LEO took that data and concluded they were in fact a danger.

When you have 30 people for 30 years with 30 guns and they say nope, never shot anybody... it's impossible to conclude they are a danger to society provided all those 30 people are still living a similar day to day lifestyle free form any sudden adversarial societal change.