Colt 37mm M203

[MegademiC]

Thanks, good points... enough to end my curiosity.

[quackhead]

I'd better report myself to the ATF then.

No, the rounds are not DDs, unless they are of the explodey variety (over the prescribed limit, as there are projectiles with HE in them that are not DD). Chalk, parachute, practice, smoke, buckshot, less lethal and others are all non DD options in 40mm.

The ATF will beg to differ on that. Go ask all the less lethal companies. The ATF is now considering all LL 37mm impact rds as DD. Their new ruling is that if you fire a 37mm LL impact rd, the launcher has to be registered as a DD- even for agencies . The LL companies are getting hemmed up over this now. They consider all 40mm non sporting and now DD- that is their latest ruling

[eodinert]

The ATF will beg to differ on that. Go ask all the less lethal companies. The ATF is now considering all LL 37mm impact rds as DD. Their new ruling is that if you fire a 37mm LL impact rd, the launcher has to be registered as a DD- even for agencies . The LL companies are getting hemmed up over this now. They consider all 40mm non sporting and now DD- that is their latest ruling

Feel free to post a letter if you have one. The launcher is DD, not the rounds. It's always been that way. My favorite places are still selling loaded 40mm LL rounds without restriction.

[Stickman]

The ATF will beg to differ on that. Go ask all the less lethal companies. The ATF is now considering all LL 37mm impact rds as DD. Their new ruling is that if you fire a 37mm LL impact rd, the launcher has to be registered as a DD- even for agencies . The LL companies are getting hemmed up over this now. They consider all 40mm non sporting and now DD- that is their latest ruling

I made an op-ed post awhile back commenting that while people were excited about the "Hearing Protection Act", and thinking they were winning against the man... the ATF continued to overstep its authority with arbitrary rules it made up itself. This would be like a cop deciding that you were being a jackass in a no jackass zone, so he was going to arrest you or seize your property. You can't interpret or make up laws however you want in law enforcement work, evidently unless you are the ATF.

Ruling made and enforced on a whim are not legal, and most certainly not ethical, yet nothing is done to change this.

[MistWolf]

Back in 2015, TFB ran an article titled "ATF Rules 40mm Practice “Chalk” Rounds Are Explosives, Destructive Devices"

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ctive-devices/

[jpmuscle]

The ATF just sucks so hard....


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[quackhead]

I do not have a letter. I'm an instructor for DEFTEC, ALS, and CTS- they all have said this for quite some time Apparently, someone at ATF made a "ruling" that that 40mm is not a "sporting round" and therefore a DD based on diameter. I think it's BS considering 40mm LL rds are only powered by .38 blanks. They also have the new "ideas" about 37mm launchers-I believe it's if you fire any anti personnel rd thru a 37mm flare gun, it now becomes a DD and MUST BE registered . Feel free to contact any of the major LL manufacturers for verification I'm not saying I agree with the ATF, but it is their current operating procedure

[eodinert]

I know they've been pressuring manufacturers to restrict sales, and I know that they have been scouring the secondary market to 'recover' items that were re-directed from the military market to the civilian market... and I know they are doing the same with other items, like smoke grenades (I believe based on the black powder exemption in the 'sporting purposes' clause)....but it's a pretty big jump from there to '40mm ammo is now DD'. Fortunately, they haven't quite gotten there yet.

I'm working on a 60mm mortar DD (in the 'collecting parts' phase), and an RPG2 DD, and the line I have to dance on to make the projectiles I want to make is exceptionally fine... even more so than the 40mm.

[Gunfixr]

I do not have a letter. I'm an instructor for DEFTEC, ALS, and CTS- they all have said this for quite some time Apparently, someone at ATF made a "ruling" that that 40mm is not a "sporting round" and therefore a DD based on diameter. I think it's BS considering 40mm LL rds are only powered by .38 blanks. They also have the new "ideas" about 37mm launchers-I believe it's if you fire any anti personnel rd thru a 37mm flare gun, it now becomes a DD and MUST BE registered . Feel free to contact any of the major LL manufacturers for verification I'm not saying I agree with the ATF, but it is their current operating procedure

This is my understanding also. In 37mm, any rounds that can be used against people make the launcher a DD. Without DD'ing a 37mm, you can fire smoke, flares.
All 40mm launchers are DD.

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[garand1945]

Still....them pigeons start lookin' like NVA scouts needin' a bird bomb. So...I will try and get one even if it is just a wallhanger

Funny you should mention this. My dad said his favorite thing to do with the 79 in Nam was taking out chickens on the perimeter. Just dial in the yardage, and poof... So yeah, i want me a 79...