Great Britian now claims US Navy sunk Kursk

[elephant]

I really don't want to bring up news that in 17 years old but watching the BBC America today, a retired Admiral in the Royal Navy has came forward saying that he has proof that the USS Memphis (SSN-691), a Los Angeles-class submarine, was responsible for sinking the Kursk (K-141), an Oscar-class submarine.

Maurice Stradling, a senior member of the British Defense Ministry has backed up these claims reversing his original 2001 statements. I don't really like conspiracy theorays and I know that there is an ongoing theory about the Kursk and Memphis with photos showing a hole in the Kursk's bow .

A quick background:

August 12, 2000, the Russian Oscar class submarine, Kursk, sinks after an explosion in the forward bow area. The Royal Navy has testified that the HMS Splendid, a Swiftsure class nuclear submarine heard an explosion followed by a greater explosion within minutes of each other. The US had testified that the HMS Splendid as well as the USS Memphis were conducting drills with NATO in the Baltic Sea. It was excepted that the Kursk sank because of a faulty weld in a practice torpedo, which caused (High-Test Peroxide) to leak causing kerosene fuel to explode and cause a fire, that fire cause 5-7 torpedo warheads to explode instantly.


17 years later, the Royal Navy alleged that Kursk sank because of a sequence of events triggered by a collision with Toledo, Kursk was performing tests with Shkval torpedoes and the tests were being observed by two US submarines on duty in the region, USS Toledo and USS*Memphis. Both Toledo and Memphis were shadowing the Kursk and the Toledo collided with the Kursk, causing the Kursk to open all forward torpedo tubes, the Memphis, fired a MK48 torpedo hitting the Kursk in the forward bow area. This has been apart of an ongoing conspiracy theory on the internet.

Now Russia is claiming that the cause was from colliding with either the HMS Splendid or USS Memphis.

What is known is that the Kursk was raised and found to have all torpedo doors open as well as the ballistic missile hatches in the open position. The HMS Splendid sailed to Vickers Shipyard in the following days and extensive repairs were made to the forward bow section. To this day, the actual involvement concerning the USS Toledo remains a mystery, maybe it was there, maybe it wasn't.

These links are a year old, but I am trying to find the BBC America news on youtube right now.

http://www.pravdareport.com/society/...k_submarine-0/

http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/...by-us-torpedo/

[platoonDaddy]

I would assume there is over 125 sailors on board a Los Angeles-class submarine and if they discharged one or more torpedoes, someone on board over the years would have told someone, who told someone, on and on, ending up front page of the ny times.

Believe it is a hoax.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

So the Splendid hit it, or the Memphis? The American Sub fired first, but no one has found impact damage when the Kursk was raised? And the Ballistic missile doors were open on a cruise missile sub.

Subs sink, they are already 9/10 of the way there normally.

[Diamondback]

So the Splendid hit it, or the Memphis? The American Sub fired first, but no one has found impact damage when the Kursk was raised? And the Ballistic missile doors were open on a cruise missile sub.

Subs sink, they are already 9/10 of the way there normally.

Journos don't know the difference between missiles any more than they do guns... at least the stupid bastards are consistent. lol

Throw this one in the bin with the Alien-Hitler Conspiracy Theorists...

[elephant]

From what the Russian Navy has said:

The US Navy carries a MK48 torpedo on there Los Angeles class submarines (confirmed), which have a continual-rod shape charge that is used to penetrate steel followed by a high explosive air-fuel explosion.
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The Russian Navy supports these claims with a MK48 torpedo size hole (26") in the forward bow section. The hole is located right behind the explosion area. Experts claim the torpedo was traveling roughly 60+mph at a slight angle- as the Kursk was turning away and the torpedo hit the hull of the Kursk at around 15 degrees: that's why he explosion carried forward, in the same direction as the torpedo.

Attachment 49297
This photo shows the forward damage of the Kursk, consistent with an explosion starting from starboard moving to port in a forward direction- approximately 15 degrees, or about the same as the hole make by the MK48.

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This photo shows the 26" hole created by what is being said as a continual-rod shape charge carried onboard a MK48 torpedo. If you look closely, experts have claimed that the oblong shape of the hole is consistent with a 21" projectile hitting the starboard bow at approximately 15 degrees. The claims are made by examining the indention caused by a fast moving object hitting the superstructure at great speed, suggesting that it was caused from something hitting the hull from the outside at great speed. The near perfect shaped hole is consisted of that of a shape charge.
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The Mk 48 torpedo:

Cost -3,500,000 USD
Weight -3,695 pounds
Warhead - 650Lbs
Length -19'
Width -21"
Max Speed- 65 MPH
Max Range -24 miles

[SomeOtherGuy]

A quick background:
August 12, 2000, the Russian Oscar class submarine, Kursk, sinks after an explosion in the forward bow area. The Royal Navy has testified that the HMS Splendid, a Swiftsure class nuclear submarine heard an explosion followed by a greater explosion within minutes of each other.***
What is known is that the Kursk was raised and found to have all torpedo doors open as well as the ballistic missile hatches in the open position. The HMS Splendid sailed to Vickers Shipyard in the following days and extensive repairs were made to the forward bow section. To this day, the actual involvement concerning the USS Toledo remains a mystery, maybe it was there, maybe it wasn't.

It doesn't require a huge stretch of imagination to think that an underwater collision might have happened, and a nearby submarine going in for bow repairs right after the incident is mighty suspicious for a possible collision.

Also remember that the Russian navy has never been awesome in its whole history, and in 2000 when this happened it was probably just slightly above rock bottom in terms of funding, equipment, crew training and discipline.

Subs sink, they are already 9/10 of the way there normally.

Indeed. Not like this is the first ever submarine sinking, for Russia or any other major player. The US lost two nuclear submarines in the 1960's, and the overall professionalism, competence and diligence of the US "nuclear navy" of that time is legendary.

I would assume there is over 125 sailors on board a Los Angeles-class submarine and if they discharged one or more torpedoes, someone on board over the years would have told someone, who told someone, on and on, ending up front page of the ny times.

I think you greatly, greatly under-estimate the ability of military men to keep secrets, especially when there is social pressure, career pressure, and the threat of severe criminal punishment for telling those secrets. If a sub crew was ordered to keep quiet on something like this, I would be far more surprised if a single one talked than if they all stayed silent.

[MountainRaven]

Sounds like Russian propaganda to me.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Attachment 49298
This photo shows the 26" hole created by what is being said as a continual-rod shape charge carried onboard a MK48 torpedo. If you look closely, experts have claimed that the oblong shape of the hole is consistent with a 21" projectile hitting the starboard bow at approximately 15 degrees.

That hole is WAY bigger than 20ish inches. Look at the guys in the foreground and the hole. That hole is at least 4 feet in diameter.

That, and I thought that Oscars were supposed to be super tough and would take more than one hit.

[Vandal]

I trust anything the Russians say as far as I can throw the corpse of Lenin.

[Honu]

That hole is WAY bigger than 20ish inches. Look at the guys in the foreground and the hole. That hole is at least 4 feet in diameter.

That, and I thought that Oscars were supposed to be super tough and would take more than one hit.

ditto hahahaahha that hole is freaking HUGE maybe 6 feet or more the beam of that thing was about 60 feet ? quick look that hole is about 1/10th the height

but yeah makes a good conspiracy theory and makes the US look bad


if we really sank that sub we would have had more moments with the Russians after it happened and the fact is they would have heard reported the launchfrom the US sub and never been crusing near a US sub without taking major precautions and so many other things ditto the doors not being sealed and so on
they do get near each other and they know it and they do not cruise in a non ready condition

this was a everything is fine no worries and whoops accident siutaiton

the other HUGE problem is that hole damage is all forward ? blast and so on would have created much damage aft of that hole and around it
would not have been this nice clean hole also to the fact its not just the diamater they claim by any means


what water pressure can do is what I think we are seeing and was welds letting go and implosion like originally reported


that hole is about as proof of that sphinx on mars that aliens made the pyramids and bread with us and half of us are aliens

then again some of the lefties are that far out so hmmmmmmmmmm