Non-NFA 11.5" Barrel Rifle (Franklin Armory Reformation)

[Diamondback]

14.5 should be legalized outright though. Dropping $200 in taxes/paperwork and waiting a year for the privilege of not having to permanently weld a barrel is lame and full of AIDS.

Plus its the best all around length if you dont care about suppressors. Not too long nor too short. The fungineers at Colt knew what was up

Maybe eliminate barrel length and just make it an OAL test for stocked firearms? (Problem is, then they might want it to be measured 26" at shortest possible collapse... or to make it worse, include pistol braces as stocks, or change from "minimum fireable length" to "minimum period" measuring LAW sidefolder AR's folded.)

Besides, with Miller upholding NFA on "common military use," and with select-fire, short barrel, suppressors and DD's being "common military use" now, it would seem that other than AOW the NFA is counter to the justification presented by jurisprudence at its creation... even stipulating that one accepts *any* 2A infringement as Constitutional.

[MistWolf]

Idk man. I think it's a gimmick or some other type of BS that no serious shooter is going to want on their rifle anyway.

Because:
A) I'm not that lucky
and B) I don't think the guys at FA are smarter than the myriad of attorneys to challenge the NFA over its almost 90 year existence.

Franklin Armory doesn't need to challenge the NFA to make this work. They just needed to get the Chief of Firearms Technology to agree the configuration falls within the law and allow it. It sounds like this is exactly what Franklin Armory has done. They have a history of working with the ATF, not poking them in the eye.

[Eurodriver]

Franklin Armory doesn't need to challenge the NFA to make this work. They just needed to get the Chief of Firearms Technology to agree the configuration falls within the law and allow it. It sounds like this is exactly what Franklin Armory has done. They have a history of working with the ATF, not poking them in the eye.

What does this even mean, and how does anything you said mean it is not going to be some sort of gimmick like a funky trigger or BCG?

[Talon167]

My interest in this is piqued, and I am looking forward to the "official" reasoning. However, I will not buy... we all know how quickly the ATF can change their minds.

[Diamondback]

Euro, I was just reading something over on another site where they think it may get around it by short-barrel but long OAL. Given how much of NFA is about "concealable weapons" and they figure a weapon over 26" is not "concealable"... hell, if they move the goalposts that way even a Mk 18 becomes non-NFA by three-quarters of an inch if you pin the MD or slap on an A5 tube. "Title 1 14.5 M4's for EVERYONE!"

Like I said, we'll see soon enough at SHOT... but if Franklin manages to lever this door open the rest of the industry will drive a freight train through it. Note that Federal approval does not supersede State or Local laws to the contrary... IIRC here in Washington, anything below 16" with a stock regardless of OAL is automatically "illegal SBR" unless you have a stamp, which is an Affirmative Defense so you'll still be charged. De-NFA the 14.5 M4 and the "In Compliance With Federal Law" AD goes away, and thus M4's become illegal here again. (And with how even frickin' SQUIRT GUNS make our Governor, Attorney General and the Seattle-controlled Legislature do a Super Soaker in their frilly pink panties...)

[Outlander Systems]

This is gospel.

Part of me likes to see companies stick it to the man but then part of me knows the obnoxiousness these gimmick guns breeds.

Jest takin the ol' M4 out, maybe a pistol and then comes the Kryptek LARP crew "preparing for war".


Then I pack up and go.

14.5 should be legalized outright though. Dropping $200 in taxes/paperwork and waiting a year for the privilege of not having to permanently weld a barrel is lame and full of AIDS.

Plus its the best all around length if you dont care about suppressors. Not too long nor too short. The fungineers at Colt knew what was up

[MistWolf]

What does this even mean, and how does anything you said mean it is not going to be some sort of gimmick like a funky trigger or BCG?

What I'm trying to say is, whether the exception is based on OAL, trigger type or rifling gimmick, Franklin Armory wouldn't be releasing this new category of weapon unless they had approval from the BATF. The lawyers don't have to be smarter than the NFA. They just have to convince the BATF to accept the interpretation.

[LDB]

The answer possibly lies here. The patent has been assigned to Franklin Armory and it has been approved in the last few days. It has not been mailed to the patent holder yet. It is too large a file to attach. It is Pub No.: US 2016/0018176 A1. It has to do with the fire control system.

ETA: Here's a link I believe will go to it.

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...DN/20160018176

[MistWolf]

What's the patent number? I'm not coming up with anything using 2016/008176 A1.

[Quiet-Matt]

You need the US prefix

Type in US20160018176

Looks like its the patent for their Binary Trigger