Non-NFA 11.5" Barrel Rifle (Franklin Armory Reformation)

[Eurodriver]

Barring any sort of "this is not a rifle" talk because the barrel isn't rifled, the trigger firing on release, or FA finding some receivers from the 1800s, the following is my best guess as to what could be going on:

Definition from the actual National Firearm's Act. Sec 921 US Code.

US Code, TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 921 > a > 8

(8) The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. (Emphasis added)

My WAG would be that a rifle, in order to be an SBR, is required to have a barrel length of <16" and an OAL of <26".

An 11.5" AR15 with the stock extended (per ATF measuring regulations) is >26" and thus not an SBR.

[Diamondback]

By that logic, Euro, one would think a 14.5" milspec M4 would get around SBR... hell, my *pistol's* over 26 and it's only got a 10.3". Which shows what a load of utter bullshit Fascist Douche Roosevelt's NFA is...

[Eurodriver]

By that logic, Euro, one would think a 14.5" milspec M4 would get around SBR... hell, my *pistol's* over 26 and it's only got a 10.3". Which shows what a load of utter bullshit Fascist Douche Roosevelt's NFA is...

Idk man. I think it's a gimmick or some other type of BS that no serious shooter is going to want on their rifle anyway.

Because:
A) I'm not that lucky
and B) I don't think the guys at FA are smarter than the myriad of attorneys to challenge the NFA over its almost 90 year existence.

[Diamondback]

Didn't say NFA wasn't the law, bro, just that it's a bullshit one--Malum Prohibitum as opposed to Malum In Se. I'm not that lucky either... if I were, they'd designate my "Mk 18 Mod Briefcase" non-SBR even with stock and I could slap on one of those FAB Defense mag-carriers I used to like. (Wouldn't, though... the entire concept of "Mod Briefcase" was low profile, and a 40-round Pmag tucked into an SBM4 longitudinally just works while chucked vertically into a GL-MAG adds undesirable height and "Hey Look Gun Here!" printing shape. Then again, if "GL/SSC: The Next Generation" went forward into Build Phase and got a "non-SBR" call...) Best chance at challenging NFA was Miller except he died on everybody while appealing to SCOTUS...

We'll find out what technicality they're playing on soon enough, though, won't we?

[JasonB1]

Idk man. I think it's a gimmick or some other type of BS that no serious shooter is going to want on their rifle anyway.

Because:
A) I'm not that lucky
and B) I don't think the guys at FA are smarter than the myriad of attorneys to challenge the NFA over its almost 90 year existence.

And yet the 14" barrel shotgun was legal for about 80 years before Len Savage initiated the concept.

Concerning attorneys, there is lots of money to be made via perpetuating bad laws, but not quite as much to be made by eliminating them.

[JasonB1]

Doubled

[Eurodriver]

And yet the 14" barrel shotgun was legal for about 80 years before Len Savage initiated the concept.

Concerning attorneys, there is lots of money to be made via perpetuating bad laws, but not quite as much to be made by eliminating them.

I hope you’re right.

But you’re not. See point A above.

[JasonB1]

I hope you’re right.

But you’re not. See point A above.

Lol it seems like it here at times too!

[Firefly]

Part of me likes to see companies stick it to the man but then part of me knows the obnoxiousness these gimmick guns breeds.

Jest takin the ol' M4 out, maybe a pistol and then comes the Kryptek LARP crew "preparing for war".


Then I pack up and go.

14.5 should be legalized outright though. Dropping $200 in taxes/paperwork and waiting a year for the privilege of not having to permanently weld a barrel is lame and full of AIDS.

Plus its the best all around length if you dont care about suppressors. Not too long nor too short. The fungineers at Colt knew what was up

[JasonB1]

The whole thing should be dropped and the 2nd Amendment adhered to. A lot of people died in the 1860's making sure the states couldn't opt out so it is what it is.