Non-NFA 11.5" Barrel Rifle (Franklin Armory Reformation)

**usmcvet** · 01-22-18, 15:32

Originally Posted by pomyc

Euro... what’s your take on a “release” trigger for tactical purposes? I am very familiar with release triggers - on a shotgun.

Also as stated before, I’m lucky enough to get to do regular, formal tactical training with an AR (and handgun). For the life of me I can’t see how a binary trigger would be a good, safe option in a dynamic tactical environment. Again, I get that sound training can overcome some of the nuances of a release trigger but still...

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That trigger is a toy. I would not want one. It's too different than every other gun I've ever fired. I know it can be put on safe while the trigger is to the rear to prevent the shot going off at release.

I've had two messed up AR triggers that fired on release. One on a factory new gun that was quickly fixed by the manufacturer. The second was a used FCG I bought. I threw that one away. It's not a good feeling when the gun goes bang and you're not expecting it.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

**justin_247** · 01-22-18, 19:18

Please delete.

**26 Inf** · 01-22-18, 19:20

pomyc: A couple of things you might want to consider for a 'tactical' situation and sound training can overcome some of the nuances of a release trigger:

1) how many reps do you have on a conventional trigger?

2) how many of those reps are under stress? Either situational or induced by a timer, etc.

3) do you have to think about trigger manipulation? By this I mean do you have to consciously think yourself through the process under stress.

4) would you ever contemplate using a weapon with a conventional trigger?

5) what would be the likely consequences if you mentally fubared your recollection of which trigger you were shooting? It is one thing to use a shotgun with a release trigger shooting skeet, you are focused on that activity. It is an entirely different thing to go from zero to gunfight in a split second.

6) would slowing down enough to be sure always put you behind the power curve?

**ABNAK** · 01-22-18, 19:50

I think for a precision shot, i.e. "sniper" type stuff, a fire-on-release trigger would be interesting. Think about it: trigger pull *can* pull a shot slightly, although most "sniper" triggers are pretty damn good so it may be a moot point.

Now for general carbine use? Nope.

**arptsprt** · 01-22-18, 20:43

26 Inf,

Thanks for the insight. To be clear, I would never use a release/binary trigger on a carbine for any legit SD/HD/tactical situation.

As mentioned, I developed a horrible flinch in shotgun shooting. So much so I went from master class in sporting clays to where I was lucky to shoot in the 70s because the flinch got so bad. Literally it happened overnight. Something is dicked up with my wiring. Not uncommon for high round trap shooters too I guess. Funny thing is I don’t have the flinches hunting or shooting pistol or carbine.

Use of a release trigger on A SHOTGUN really works. I was surprised how little time it took me to adjust to a release trigger. BUT, that is on a static trap/skeet/sporting clays range. With a much time as I have behind conventional and now a release trigger, there is NO WAY I’d use one on a carbine for HD/SD/tactical - taking into consideration or validating the points you make below.

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

pomyc: A couple of things you might want to consider for a 'tactical' situation and sound training can overcome some of the nuances of a release trigger:

1) how many reps do you have on a conventional trigger?

2) how many of those reps are under stress? Either situational or induced by a timer, etc.

3) do you have to think about trigger manipulation? By this I mean do you have to consciously think yourself through the process under stress.

4) would you ever contemplate using a weapon with a conventional trigger?

5) what would be the likely consequences if you mentally fubared your recollection of which trigger you were shooting? It is one thing to use a shotgun with a release trigger shooting skeet, you are focused on that activity. It is an entirely different thing to go from zero to gunfight in a split second.

6) would slowing down enough to be sure always put you behind the power curve?

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

**AKDoug** · 01-22-18, 23:41

Originally Posted by pomyc

26 Inf,

Thanks for the insight. To be clear, I would never use a release/binary trigger on a carbine for any legit SD/HD/tactical situation.

As mentioned, I developed a horrible flinch in shotgun shooting. So much so I went from master class in sporting clays to where I was lucky to shoot in the 70s because the flinch got so bad. Literally it happened overnight. Something is dicked up with my wiring. Not uncommon for high round trap shooters too I guess. Funny thing is I don’t have the flinches hunting or shooting pistol or carbine.

Use of a release trigger on A SHOTGUN really works. I was surprised how little time it took me to adjust to a release trigger. BUT, that is on a static trap/skeet/sporting clays range. With a much time as I have behind conventional and now a release trigger, there is NO WAY I’d use one on a carbine for HD/SD/tactical - taking into consideration or validating the points you make below.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They have a similar thing for archery. Standard release is a trigger, they also make a "relax" trigger for those that get target panic (flinch). It works.. for a while.. they you start flinching the other way.