Potential ATF bump stock ban opens a can of worms

[Outlander Systems]

If you read the 55 page document:

1) The ATF stood up for gun rights
2) Jeff Sessions doesnt care

There's a comment period. I would recommend commenting.

[Dist. Expert 26]

If you read the 55 page document:

1) The ATF stood up for gun rights
2) Jeff Sessions doesnt care

There's a comment period. I would recommend commenting.

At this point do you honestly think it matters? The overlords will do as they please.

[skywalkrNCSU]

If you read the 55 page document:

1) The ATF stood up for gun rights
2) Jeff Sessions doesnt care

There's a comment period. I would recommend commenting.

Jeff Sessions doesn’t give a damn about anyone’s freedom. Never has.

[Circle_10]

You know, this still wouldn't be right even if the equivalent monetary were being offered to the owners who surrender their bumpstocks, but the notion that the government would be requiring people who legally purchased these things with their own money to turn them in without being compensated absolutely fries me. Just disgraceful.

[SomeOtherGuy]

At this point do you honestly think it matters? The overlords will do as they please.

Actually the number of comments received and their specifics could make a big difference in the outcome of future courtroom litigation over this issue. A court reviewing the legality of this change will include a review of the comments, and ATF will have to explain away all the opposing comments. And I all but guarantee someone who bought a bump-stock will sue over this. So yeah, submit any and all reasonable comments, including pointing out very obvious things like:
-2A violation
-taking without compensation
-particularly egregious taking because the exact thing was expressly approved by legal process by the same agency!
-plain error in the re-interpretation of NFA definition of "machinegun"
etc.

I will be submitting comments, even though I don't own or care about bump stocks in particular. This is an abhorrent way of doing things.

[SomeOtherGuy]

You want to talk end game? How about this, keep pushing until all guns are banned, one person used a bolt action to pop a guy, ban all bolt actions, a man uses a corssbow, ban them, knives get used, ban sharp objects, then ban voting because of the illegal voting of a few. Why not right? Who is to stop you from doing that and then forcing your ideology on everyone. Anyone who wants to say that I am going all tin foil.

This is very close to the actual history of legal prohibitions in the UK in the last 30 years. Ordinary kitchen knives are now highly restricted, for example, as is what we Americans consider to be ordinary free speech (if the viewpoint is unpopular with some govt official).

[pwjp2011]

ATF IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO READ AND REPLY TO EVERY COMMENT YOU SUBMIT

Ok, third time is a charm. We are going to repeat our previous success and flood the ATF with comments for their “Proposed Rule-Making Re-Bump Stock Type Devices.” THEY ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO READ AND REPLY TO EVERY COMMENT YOU SUBMIT. You may remember anons did this previously with other ATF rules changes under Obama, specifically, when they closed the trust “loop-hole” for registering NFA devices in non-NFA friendly states, and attempted to ban Green Tip ammo. We delayed the trust rule by one year, and they actually took some of our advise and removed the LEO signature requirement, and we stopped the Green Tip ammo ban altogether with 80,000 comments. This is proven to work so it is worth anons time.

Follow this link: https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...k-type-devices

Make a comment regarding why you do not approve of the rules change. Be polite, be specific, and its best if you make it custom, and as long as possible so they have to read the whole thing. I will provide suggestions in the posts below as to what you can say, or what to bring up in your comments.

https://blog.princelaw.com/2018/03/2...-type-devices/

https://archive.is/9wCnD

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...k-type-devices

https://archive.is/tDUFa

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Questions and points to put in your letter to the ATF:

-How can the ATF define “Single function of the trigger” to include a finger “bumping” off the trigger repeatedly and therefore functioning the trigger each time?

-What will happen to all the current bump stocks in circulation? What about their owners?

-How does ATF plan to prevent criminals such as Stephen Paddock from making bump stocks from readily available parts at Home Depot for under $35 dollars, such at a metal bar and two screws with washers connected to a firearms grip and stock?

-Will ATF consider a metal bar with two screws and washers to be a machine gun if also present in the same dwelling as a semi automatic firearm, since they may be “readily restored to shoot” as a machine gun in ATF's determination?

-Will holes drilled in a pistol grip or stock be considered a machine gun in the same manner ATF considers holes drilled in certain areas of a receiver to be machine guns?

-Does ATF plan to regulate an individuals finger which can bump a trigger rapidly without assistance from bump stock type devices?

-Will this rule regulate belt loops, which can be “readily restored to shoot,” a semi automatic firearm in the same way a bump stock does. Will a belt loop be on the same level as a shoe string which ATF has classified as a machine gun in the past?

-Will wearing pants with belt loops be illegal while operating a semi automatic firearm under this rule?

-Does ATF or Congress plan on allowing citizens a legal method to register their previously owned bump stocks on the NFA registry?

-Will the act of bump firing a firearm be considered “making a machine gun?'

Feel free to add some points of your own. Please spread this far and wide, lets beat the high score of 80,000 comments.

[Outlander Systems]

If you guys aren't commenting, shame on you.

[Renegade]

ATF IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO READ AND REPLY TO EVERY COMMENT YOU SUBMIT

No they are not.

They didn't for ATF41 and they will not for this. They basically group the comments into categories and then respond to those categories.

[TexasAggie2005]

They'll "read all the comments" like I "read" all my work emails after a vacation...

Select all unread emails;
> Mark as read.
> If it's important, they'll email me again.
> If not, wasn't important.
> Carry on.