Magpul D60 Drums: Line of Duty or Range Only?

[Diamondback]

Just for the record, my main question wasn't so much reliability as the weight cost--my guns tend to come out like their operator, a bit on the heavy side, so I'm trying to figure out if the "one free reload" time and effort reduction pays for the added weight, and the only Magpul product I've ever put on a weapon and later taken off was a BAD Lever that while solidly engineered just didn't fit how I run a gun as a southpaw.

That said, when the price is right and the cash flows allow, I can see myself picking up a few more unless the damnfool pols succeed in finishing off turning the Northwet into Burn-in-Hellifornia Norte first.

[10MMGary]

Found this in my email
http://palmettostatearmory.com/ameri...-magazine.html

[Stickman]

Thanks, guys. If they were in use playing for All The Marbles, that says a lot--if it's good enough to protect a President, it's good enough to consider for Overwatch on the Homestead ceteris parabus.



Is that an implied "Grab 'em while ya can between impending lack of supply and the walking colostomy bags* infesting our State Crapitol" I hear in your voice there, Stick?
*My words, not yours, I know you have to maintain a certain level of decorum for the sake of reflecting on your employers

That is one way to look at it, and yes, I do think many states are very close to seeing additional bans in place for firearms. California, New Jersey, Oregon, New York, Washington, Hawaii and other states aren't making things any better for firearm owners. States like WA & OR have traditionally been states which have been "hands off" for gun control, but the last decade or so has had a rash of CA move north and bring their CA values along with them.

However, think about things this way. If the USMC stated they were buying 10,000 of the IAR along with the Magpul D60 magazines and pouches immediate issue, how long would Magpul keep them in stock? If the Army 82nd, or 1st ID decided the D60 would now be a primary magazine, how many do you think we would see on shelves? If the USAF decided they were going to jump ahead and grab them for all of their security Forces units in Korea, how long would they stay on the shelves of your local store or favorite internet dealer?

Just something to think about. For people who think drums are ignorant, that is awesome, I'm sure they have combat experience or some form of real world experience to back it up. I know that personally I've never been in combat and thought to myself that I had too much ammo, too many rounds in my weapon, or had too much water with me. Why water? Because shooting mo-fos can make a man thirsty...

[Diamondback]

That is one way to look at it, and yes, I do think many states are very close to seeing additional bans in place for firearms. California, New Jersey, Oregon, New York, Washington, Hawaii and other states aren't making things any better for firearm owners. States like WA & OR have traditionally been states which have been "hands off" for gun control, but the last decade or so has had a rash of CA move north and bring their CA values along with them.

However, think about things this way. If the USMC stated they were buying 10,000 of the IAR along with the Magpul D60 magazines and pouches immediate issue, how long would Magpul keep them in stock? If the Army 82nd, or 1st ID decided the D60 would now be a primary magazine, how many do you think we would see on shelves? If the USAF decided they were going to jump ahead and grab them for all of their security Forces units in Korea, how long would they stay on the shelves of your local store or favorite internet dealer?

My bet would be at that point, forget about ANY civilian (including LE) Pmags of any kind until Magpul spins up additional production lines... which given the political climate would probably not be happening unless/until SCOTUS hands down some rulings in our favor.

Just something to think about. For people who think drums are ignorant, that is awesome, I'm sure they have combat experience or some form of real world experience to back it up. I know that personally I've never been in combat and thought to myself that I had too much ammo, too many rounds in my weapon, or had too much water with me. Why water? Because shooting mo-fos can make a man thirsty...

I've never been in combat and hope to God I never have to get any closer than I was with The Ex's stalker, and... well, gut says "too much ammo" is the point where you can no longer maneuver and fight your weapon. I'm actually toying with the idea of a GL/SSC-inspired superpistol build that would carry an entire quarter-case of ammo right onboard... (two D60's, magwell and mag-carrier foregrip; two PMAG 40's with Odin +5 extenders/coupler kit strapped around a Shockwave Blade, plus a third PMAG 40 on left-side rail in another carrier) and refitting the 16" GP to similar excess. (Three drums, stock, foregrip and magwell; one 40-rounder each, left and right rail carriers--if time is of the essence and you can only manage to grab the gun, might be prudent to have some spares attached to it, right?) 'Course, that means I need to hit the weight pile more, maybe start testosterone supplements and try to grow some usable pectoral muscles... be a little more "Tactical" and a bit less "Newman."

[1168]

Just something to think about. For people who think drums are ignorant, that is awesome, I'm sure they have combat experience or some form of real world experience to back it up. I know that personally I've never been in combat and thought to myself that I had too much ammo, too many rounds in my weapon, or had too much water with me. Why water? Because shooting mo-fos can make a man thirsty...

The gun gets carried ALOT more than it gets shot, thus I have found 30 rnds to be perfect for most tasks. 20 rnds can be better for some tasks. I can see the usefulness of a drum if a dude is not wearing a bunch of mag pouches, otherwise, too heavy. Plus eventually, assuming I use it, I’m going to want to put it in a pouch, and drum pouches are very bulky compared to regular mag pouches. I bet it makes a really good monopod, though.

Water is pretty important.

[Firefly]

Just to clarify, these can take .300 BLK, yes?

If I ever chase that dragon, it might make these more desireable.

I sorta wish these were around 10 years ago. I have a Surefire 60 rd mag and while it does okay, I dont think I'll get another.

FWIW an M27 w/ D60 would basically be like the Western RPK on steroids.

I got burned on beta c mags. When it worked it was great, when it didnt it was a headache. Sold it in 2013 for a princely sum.

[ggammell]

Just to clarify, these can take .300 BLK, yes?

If I ever chase that dragon, it might make these more desireable.

I sorta wish these were around 10 years ago. I have a Surefire 60 rd mag and while it does okay, I dont think I'll get another.

FWIW an M27 w/ D60 would basically be like the Western RPK on steroids.

I got burned on beta c mags. When it worked it was great, when it didnt it was a headache. Sold it in 2013 for a princely sum.

No go with Blackout. I thought I remember reading it somewhere and a quick google search showed several forums etc saying so as well.

[joeg26er]

Just for the record, my main question wasn't so much reliability as the weight cost--my guns tend to come out like their operator, a bit on the heavy side, so I'm trying to figure out if the "one free reload" time and effort reduction pays for the added weight, and the only Magpul product I've ever put on a weapon and later taken off was a BAD Lever that while solidly engineered just didn't fit how I run a gun as a southpaw.

That said, when the price is right and the cash flows allow, I can see myself picking up a few more unless the damnfool pols succeed in finishing off turning the Northwet into Burn-in-Hellifornia Norte first.

Found this story that has weight of fully loaded d60 at 44+oz
http://soldiersystems.net/2015/12/07...60-comparison/

[EzGoingKev]

I have a Surefire 60 rd mag and while it does okay, I dont think I'll get another.

I have two of them I bought on sale a few years ago. The only issue I had with them was they would not lock the bolt back when empty on first use.

[M4Guru]

300BLK: The official line is that these are not recommended for .300BLK because of the wide variety of projectile shapes and weights and the different properties of how most mags control 300BLK cartridge stability in the mag.

With that said, there are any number of very common 300BLK rounds that feed and fire fine from the drum, we just can't validate some of the more wazoo stuff out there.

If it will go in the drum, it will come out of the drum.