Razor GenII or Nightforce ATACR

[C-grunt]

I’m getting back into precision bolt guns in the near future. Ive got the rifles down to a short list but I’m having an issue deciding on a scope.

My two main choices are a Razor 4.5-27 or a Nightforce ATACR F1 5-25. With Le/mil pricing they are within a couple hundred bucks of each other.

Is there a reason to go with one over the other? I have a little bit of hands on experience with both and like both.

[Kenneth]

I have the Razor and I really enjoy it. I will say that it is heavy but it’s built like a tank. The turrets are very good and the zero stop allows for .5 mil pas zero.

If you want a Razor go over to snipershide and they sell for $1800 on the low end to $2050 for the high end.

They are always for sale and most people are getting the Mil with the EBR-2C reticle.

I have only spent a little bit of time with that Nightforce and to me it looked hazy but it wasn’t my scope. It might have had dirty lenses. The other I have spent some time behind was a beast and that’s just a whole another animal.

I’m sure either one will work very well for you and I would pick what you can get the cheapest.


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[shiv]

Both are wonderful optics. However, the Vortex is ridiculously heavy and dare I say, lower quality. Heavy scopes are not necessarily more durable.

While I don’t currently own a NF, I’d go with a FFP ATACR of the two you’ve listed. The turrets are a better design, the size and weight is better, and NF has a track record for durability.

As far as glass quality, NF glass tends to have a pale bias while Vortex tends to use coatings to make colors stand out more. Resolution is fairly similar with perhaps a bit of an edge toward the NF. Many perceive glass with more color to be “better” when they peer through it but that is somewhat deceptive.




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[C-grunt]

What about the Nightforce turrets are better?

[shiv]

Easier to set. Windage is also capped which is a big plus. The “feel”, subjective, I know, I’d smoother and easier to read. Both are quality optics but I’d give the edge to the NF.


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[Failure2Stop]

NF.

Reasons:
1- NF makes a high quality product that is trusted not only in competition circles, but deployed professional application as well.
2- Adjustments are as perfect as you can get in a production mechanical product.
3- Excellent zero stop feature.
4- Tremor 3 reticle availability. All other reticles pale in comparison.

[Eurodriver]

NF.

Reasons:
1- NF makes a high quality product that is trusted not only in competition circles, but deployed professional application as well.
2- Adjustments are as perfect as you can get in a production mechanical product.
3- Excellent zero stop feature.
4- Tremor 3 reticle availability. All other reticles pale in comparison.

I have seen the Razor Gen IIs do incredible things, work incredibly well, and be durable as hell. Think uncased Ruger RPR in the back of a Wrangler for about 3 hours on rough offroad terrain (whoop-dees, washboard, shit falling all over the damn place) and still make a first round hit at 1,200 yards. I know Geissele loves the Gen2 Razors. I know they are even being used in HSLD environments.

But the answer here is clear.

ATACR

C-Grunt, do not be the guy who passes up the Mercedes-Benz S Class for the fully loaded Hyundai Genesis.

[jpmuscle]

I have seen the Razor Gen IIs do incredible things, work incredibly well, and be durable as hell. Think uncased Ruger RPR in the back of a Wrangler for about 3 hours on rough offroad terrain (whoop-dees, washboard, shit falling all over the damn place) and still make a first round hit at 1,200 yards. I know Geissele loves the Gen2 Razors. I know they are even being used in HSLD environments.

But the answer here is clear.

ATACR

C-Grunt, do not be the guy who passes up the Mercedes-Benz S Class for the fully loaded Hyundai Genesis.

Vortexmasterrace



But the NF looks pretty dope though


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[voiceofreason]

I've used both (own the razor) and I'd recommend either as they have more in common than difference. Vortex has a great warranty (my razor has been fine), NF rarely requires the use of a warranty.

I'd decide based upon the reticle you decide is best for you. I've never used the Tremor3 specifically so I won't comment on it, but the older grid reticles work great in dusty environments when you can adjust from your previous misses very quickly.

That said, I prefer the standard christmas tree reticles.

The Kahles is lighter and slightly better glass than either of the aforementioned scopes to my eye, but I've heard they may not be as mechanically accurate. I've never owned a Kahles so I can't answer to that, but the glass is excellent and much lighter than the Razor or ATACR. SKMR3 is an excellent reticle. Like it more than my EBR-2C by a bit.

Having owned more than a few scopes, the Razor just works for me in every area I want it to as it's good to great in every area except weight.

Scopes are more than just turret feel, mechanical accuracy, and good glass (no offense to Frank Galli, but I disagree that there is little difference between glass these days, HUGE differences IMO). They have to work for you as a shooter and just like a pistol, what works well for others may not be as efficient for you and your needs.

[C-grunt]

I have seen the Razor Gen IIs do incredible things, work incredibly well, and be durable as hell. Think uncased Ruger RPR in the back of a Wrangler for about 3 hours on rough offroad terrain (whoop-dees, washboard, shit falling all over the damn place) and still make a first round hit at 1,200 yards. I know Geissele loves the Gen2 Razors. I know they are even being used in HSLD environments.

But the answer here is clear.

ATACR

C-Grunt, do not be the guy who passes up the Mercedes-Benz S Class for the fully loaded Hyundai Genesis.

Weren't you the guy that traded in the Benz for a V6 Mustang???? LOL

Just kidding... I get what you are saying.

If I can get the ATACR F1 Tremor3 for the price I was told (a little lower than standard mil/le price) then I will.