Active shooting: Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida

[Grand58742]

[T2C]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...tudents-in?amp


A federal judge on Monday ruled that Broward County schools and the Sheriff's Office were not legally obligated to protect and shield students in the shooting that occurred at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., last February, according to a report in the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

The outlet reports that U.S. District Judge Beth Bloom tossed out a lawsuit brought by 15 students who survived the school shooting that argued the Sheriff's Office and the Broward school district had a legal duty to protect them during the massacre.

Bloom, however, reportedly ruled that the defendants were not constitutionally obligated to protect students who were not in custody.

"The claim arises from the actions of [shooter Nikolas] Cruz, a third party, and not a state actor," she wrote in the ruling last week. "Thus, the critical question the Court analyzes is whether defendants had a constitutional duty to protect plaintiffs from the actions of Cruz."

The judge's ruling comes as no surprise as there is applicable case law from decades ago.

The issue for most of us is not the legal, but moral obligation to protect the students from an active shooter. Unfortunately, what's legal and what's morally right are in conflict in this situation.

[VARIABLE9]

It was no shock to me either. But for the uneducated unworldly and uncaring masses I bet it is. Even the story itself doesn’t get much mention anywhere, the less people know the more likely they’ll continue to think they’re safe, drive SUV’s they lease, spend all their money eating out, and continually upgrade their iPhones so they can triple screen Facebook and YouTube and Netflix.

[AKDoug]

The shock for me wasn't on the LEO end, it was on the school end. I had always assumed that the schools had some sort of liability when my children were in attendance.

[Firefly]

Some people just are not meant to be police. I would literally rather die than be a coward. Oaths mean things. I habe head the lectures about Tombstone Courage but I am an unmarried, childless man. If I can keep kids alive and silence the guns; I will.

For Past Sins

[Arik]

Some people just are not meant to be police. I would literally rather die than be a coward. Oaths mean things. I habe head the lectures about Tombstone Courage but I am an unmarried, childless man. If I can keep kids alive and silence the guns; I will.

For Past Sins

I think most people would do the same in that situation.

[glocktogo]

The shock for me wasn't on the LEO end, it was on the school end. I had always assumed that the schools had some sort of liability when my children were in attendance.

In the real world, parents have the responsibility but not the authority. Schools have the authority but not the responsibility.

That’s just how government works.

[SteyrAUG]

Some people just are not meant to be police. I would literally rather die than be a coward. Oaths mean things. I habe head the lectures about Tombstone Courage but I am an unmarried, childless man. If I can keep kids alive and silence the guns; I will.

For Past Sins

I definitely don't want to get shot.
I definitely don't want to get shot by police if they mistake me for the shooter.

But if I'm there in the parking lot, and I'm made to understand that inside somebody is killing kids and I have the means to stop it and so far nobody else is here and doing it, I'll probably still do it even against my better judgement.

They aren't my kids, I don't owe them shit, but I'd probably go in just the same.

I'd really only have two concerns.

Finding and correctly identifying the shooter and stopping him and HOPING there isn't a second shooter.
Trying to make sure I don't get shot by the shooter or responding officers especially if we all end up in the same building at the same time and the shooter is still active. So many ways that can go wrong for me as well as any responding officers as we come into contact with each other.

But that's probably just the kind of stupid shit I'd still do if I was there and had the means to bring it to an end. Now if I'm in the same parking lot and two dozen SWAT dudes are running into the building, I'm staying in the parking lot and letting them do their thing. Probably going to drop my firearm in the truck discretely so we don't have to even have that discussion and if I can just leave, well I'm grabbing lunch.

[Voodoo_Man]

https://www.vdmsr.com/2018/12/hard-l...and-dying.html

Wrote an article on the recent lawsuit being tossed and other concepts which people misunderstanding, as well as, one concept which all LEO's and any responsible armed citizen should take seriously.

[WillBrink]

Here's a minute by minute run down of the event, the number of oportunities missed to stop that kid far worse than I even imagined. He was seen by muliple people soon as he walked onto the campus, and identified immediately, and no one did a damn thing start to finish. As bad as you may think it was, it was worse:

"Since Columbine, officers are taught to rush toward gunshots and neutralize the killer. But the first Broward deputies don’t rush in.

Broward Sheriff Scott Israel later reveals that he personally changed department policy to say that deputies “may” instead of “shall” rush in"


Two decades after Columbine and five years after Sandy Hook, educators and police still weren’t ready for Parkland.

http://projects.sun-sentinel.com/201...V7cn1nFCGF4mLI