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    Quote Originally Posted by RHINOWSO View Post
    Looks like Scott Peterson was one of 4 Coward County Deputies to sit around while the slaughter happened.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/polit...ies/index.html

    "When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

    With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff's deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building.

    Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school , Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived.

    The resentment among Coral Springs officials toward Broward County officials about what they perceived to be a dereliction of duty may have reached a boiling point at a vigil the night of February 15, where, in front of dozens of others, Coral Springs City Manager Mike Goodrum confronted Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel. A source familiar with the conversation tells CNN that Goodrum was upset that the Broward deputies had remained outside the school while kids inside could have been bleeding out, among other reasons."

    Four armed deputies? That number is more than sufficient to establish a Rapid Deployment formation and apply pressure on the Active Shooter. Failure to act is unconscionable. I believe that you will see a lot more LEO, active and retired, that will be harshly critical of their failure to respond and do their jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    Wow. I cant imagine wanting to live with yourself after letting that happen versus the possibility of dying trying to stop it.
    My respect for the thin blue line remains steadfast, but I can't deny it's been shaken on this day. Going outside my lane: I'd hope hope God/Allah/Shiva willing I'd have the courage to ignore such orders and so what needed to be done, or die trying.

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    As as a student of psych, and enough course work for a major in it, I'm GTG with terminology

    Quote Originally Posted by T2C View Post
    Four armed deputies? That number is more than sufficient to establish a Rapid Deployment formation and apply pressure on the Active Shooter. Failure to act is unconscionable. I believe that you will see a lot more LEO, active and retired, that will be harshly critical of their failure to respond and do their jobs.
    I don't want to go outside my lane, but as other LEO's here have made clear here, if you're the only one there at that time, it sucks to be you, but waiting for sufficient numbers is not an option nor an excuse.
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    We're beginning to see a swing away from blaming the NRA today. I have seen it on Facebook, and I even saw it this morning on the Today show (can't stop my wife from watching it).. The only coverage they gave this morning was detailing the one deputy who didn't enter the building. This will build even more momentum as people realize how f'd up Broward County SD is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerplode View Post
    FIFY.

    When seconds count, Broward Co Sheriff's dept is sitting outside with their thumbs in their asses.

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    now now lets be fair I am sure they were using them to dial up CNN


    but if Dana had that info that so many were cowards during that debate ! oh BOY sure hope it starts to get pushed on him every time that idiot sheriff opens his mouth and then some
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    We all know it's very rare for LEOs to openly criticize each other in such a situation, so that's beyond damning. I'd say this deserves fed level investigation, but considering their performance in this, well...
    Gets worse. Just spoke to a friend of mine who was there the morning of the shooting to drop off some work related stuff. He was supposed to go after lunch but decide he had time before getting back to his office in the morning.

    While attending a funeral this week for the kid of some close friends he learned at least 5 kids reported the shooter to the school a week prior to the incident to warn them about the threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Gets worse. Just spoke to a friend of mine who was there the morning of the shooting to drop off some work related stuff. He was supposed to go after lunch but decide he had time before getting back to his office in the morning.

    While attending a funeral this week for the kid of some close friends he learned at least 5 kids reported the shooter to the school a week prior to the incident to warn them about the threat.
    We are very rapidly finding out this incident could have been prevented at so many different levels; FBI, State, local LE, school district and those 5 deputies who did fvck nothing. There is no excuse for that kind of complete systemic failure that resulted in the loss of 17 American youths, none.

    Aaron Cowan and I have very similar thoughts about the event. I also agree with his assessment of most SROs, retired on duty or shoved in the schools to be "out of sight and out of mind".
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    if its true some reports of him having knives and other weapons at school in prior cases to ?

    dana said in that town joke meeting that LEO had 39 incidents with the kid prior ? again no idea but it does sound like they had a lot of issues with him but did nothing

    the fact being that every so called terrorist caught by the authorities turned out to also have been helped along by the fbi to get the bomb material and how to make and pushed and persuaded and then they catch them to big headlines ? bush obama trump president does not matter yeah tin foil deep state but its the fact they were all helped out! that much is true

    I am starting to wonder about some of these shootings that are happening somehow like the boston bombing who the FBI spoke with even though our gov was told they were terrorists still carried out the bombings

    are some of these shootings allowed to happen ? yeah tin foil but anymore I don't know and worse I do not trust our gov at all anymore for the truth and we know the media is in and has an agenda with the left

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    If you're in LE and respond to a scene like this and you are alive, children are dead, and you we not physically obstructed or the shooter wasn't gone/dead when you go there you ****ing failed. You can not die well. Everything you do after that point is meaningless.

    If my child died while LE waits outside and doesn't storm the gates, eating your pistol will be the easy way out. Nothing this side of hell will keep me from you.

    I know guys from Coral Springs and they are disgusted by what they saw.
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    I can only hope that I would've had the Man Up to tell pussy-ass Do-Nothing Sheriff Israel, "I'm going in, and if I live through this I QUIT. Ain't nothin' your bitchmonkey ass can throw at me worse than the screams of dying kids..."

    Seriously, am I the only one who thinks that when he was trying to terrorize Dana Loesch on CNN Squatty Israel looked like nothing so much as an angry little poop-flinging monkey?

    Yes, big words from a small man who's never spent a day in uniform in his life. But I DID spend a couple years in a situation where I too was sworn to trade my life for another's, and while nowhere near as much so as you who make a career of it I think that gives me a little more perspective on duty and sacrifice than most of the sheeple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SWATcop556 View Post
    If you're in LE and respond to a scene like this and you are alive, children are dead, and you we not physically obstructed or the shooter wasn't gone/dead when you go there you ****ing failed. You can not die well. Everything you do after that point is meaningless.

    If my child died while LE waits outside and doesn't storm the gates, eating your pistol will be the easy way out. Nothing this side of hell will keep me from you.

    I know guys from Coral Springs and they are disgusted by what they saw.
    Wrote an article specifically about this topic - http://www.vdmsr.com/2018/02/why-cow...ear-badge.html

    It is unimaginable that these cowards would wear a badge.

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