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    "Gun Free Zone" law

    Hadn't known of this one, and it confused me a tad. I had recalled schools being "gun free zones" took place far earlier in response mostly to the TX tower shooting. Was this a paper tiger to get votes that didn't impact what many states already had or did it add a bunch of "gun free zones" to states that didn't have them? This one given to us by none other than "just get a shotgun" Joe, and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush...Thanx George!

    Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990

    The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is an act of the U.S. Congress prohibiting any unauthorized individual from knowingly possessing a loaded or unsecured firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25). The law applies to public, private, and parochial elementary schools and high schools, and to non-private property within 1000 feet of them. It provides that State and local law may authorize the issuance of licenses that exempt the licensed individuals from the prohibition.

    It was introduced in the U.S. Senate in October 1990 by Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware and was signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Fr...es_Act_of_1990
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    No, IMO, pretty much just the result of legislation aimed at curbing the rise in the violent crime rate throughout the 60's and into the 90's.

    If you were around then the Federal Government was throwing all kinds of money into efforts to reduce crime and put more police on the street, as well as passing legislation such as the Gun Free School Zones.

    We all have opinions regarding cause and effect, but there was a lot of well-meaning effort put forth.

    Again, maybe it was successful, maybe it wasn't, BUT violent crime has been decreasing since around 1991 for whatever reason, maybe Bill Clinton? (joke)

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    We need "Crime Free Zones" where it is a crime to commit a crime.

    That's where I want to live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush...Thanx George!
    Just like the 89 Import Ban. Not sure who was worse, him of Clinton. At least the Clinton ban had a sunset.
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    Doesn’t this mean that any gun moved in a car with in 1000 feet of a school is an infraction of the law?

    Another feel good measure that actually is never enforced because it was never meant to be effective. Even that conviction of the lady in public housing would probably now fall afoul of recent SCOTUS decisions.

    This of course would only be enforced by national LEOs since it is a national law, and states and cities don’t enforce those statutes.

    What worries me about laws like this is that from what I read, they could pretty much charge everyone that has left their house with a gun.
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    What worries me about laws like this is that from what I read, they could pretty much charge everyone that has left their house with a gun.
    What d'ya think the goal was? If you can't ban guns and can't designate the whole country a No Carry Zone, just set up a confusing patchwork of GFZ's that are impossible to get off the crapper in the morning without having to cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    SNIP....
    Again, maybe it was successful, maybe it wasn't, BUT violent crime has been decreasing since around 1991 for whatever reason, maybe Bill Clinton? (joke)
    Google “lead-crime hypothesis” sometime. Many of the most successful anti-crime campaigns seem to have started right when violent crimes were beginning to downslope, already. NYC comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    We need "Crime Free Zones" where it is a crime to commit a crime.

    That's where I want to live.
    I agree. Why don't they just make it illegal to kill people because you are having a bad day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    Google “lead-crime hypothesis” sometime. Many of the most successful anti-crime campaigns seem to have started right when violent crimes were beginning to downslope, already. NYC comes to mind.
    This thread reminds me of the time when I realized that "Republicans" really weren't "Republicans" anymore, and when they stopped representing my interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Hadn't known of this one, and it confused me a tad. I had recalled schools being "gun free zones" took place far earlier in response mostly to the TX tower shooting. Was this a paper tiger to get votes that didn't impact what many states already had or did it add a bunch of "gun free zones" to states that didn't have them? This one given to us by none other than "just get a shotgun" Joe, and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush...Thanx George!

    Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990

    The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is an act of the U.S. Congress prohibiting any unauthorized individual from knowingly possessing a loaded or unsecured firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25). The law applies to public, private, and parochial elementary schools and high schools, and to non-private property within 1000 feet of them. It provides that State and local law may authorize the issuance of licenses that exempt the licensed individuals from the prohibition.

    It was introduced in the U.S. Senate in October 1990 by Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware and was signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Fr...es_Act_of_1990
    This law was overturned by SCOTUS in 1995. It was then re-introduced in 1996 with a SCOTUS compliant version.

    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    Doesn’t this mean that any gun moved in a car with in 1000 feet of a school is an infraction of the law?

    What worries me about laws like this is that from what I read, they could pretty much charge everyone that has left their house with a gun.
    Generally correct. LTC guns are exempt. All others are not. There is NO LEOSA exemption, not an out-of-state exemption.

    I would estimate this law is violated millions of times a day. I myself drive within 1000 feet of 3 different schools just about every time I leave my home. That is 6 felonies a day for me if I have a gun in my car. You take a pro-gun state like Texas that does not require guns in cars be lock, unloaded, etc, and it is easy to see how often it might be violated.
    Last edited by Renegade; 02-18-18 at 10:52.

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