Hardening Soft Targets and Other Measures

[R6436]

The Treason Media has the right to tongue-clean my ass fresh off a Bowl Blaster From Hell, as far as I'm concerned.

I could see them doing that if the network told them it was trendy.

My favorites are the ones who claim the Constitution only applies to muskets. I point out that using their "logic" (with air quotes to get their attention) then television and the internet isn't covered either. So far I can last 10 minutes before getting irritated by their circular arguments/parroting the network narrative.

[Diamondback]

What about those of us who have (had) no interest in the range of options they proposed?

For example, I had proposed that my HS consider even an AIR Rifle team... and they threw a shit fit. Oh, if they'd known the Shop instructor had offered to teach me how to build an AR15 as a graded project... (This was my sophomore year, mid-late 1990s.)

[Diamondback]

I could see them doing that if the network told them it was trendy.

My favorites are the ones who claim the Constitution only applies to muskets. I point out that using their "logic" (with air quotes to get their attention) then television and the internet isn't covered either. So far I can last 10 minutes before getting irritated by their circular arguments/parroting the network narrative.

Point out that musket balls are MUCH more destructive, that through-and-through clean holings are why more of their beloved Dindu Nuffin "good boy" thug "angels" get to keep their limbs while as recently as the 1860s musket and Minie balls and the smashed shattered bones they resulted in meant Get The Hacksaws.

[223to45]

Not all after school programs cost money, some do like cheer, athletics, band etc. But the reason for this is to get each student involved in groups or activities outside of the school. This is actually beneficial that it gets students connected with other students and encourage students to reach out to other students. We don't want students to feel isolated or feel invisible. Allow students to form there own clubs and set meeting times and every club has to present a report of what they do twice a semester.
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I understand the reason for it. But the being FORCED part, will probably take same kids that are a problem and make the resentment even worse.


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[R6436]

Point out that musket balls are MUCH more destructive, that through-and-through clean holings are why more of their beloved Dindu Nuffin "good boy" thug "angels" get to keep their limbs while as recently as the 1860s musket and Minie balls and the smashed shattered bones they resulted in meant Get The Hacksaws.

Ah, I see you are under the same misconception as most people about the media. Logic, reason, facts, historic examples...those things don't normally get through to them.

The younger generations in today's media, especially at the affiliate level, are more concerned with "Likes", re-tweets, views, etc. than they are actually reporting facts and anything resembling "balance". Most of them, not all but most, put in the minimum effort to meet requirements. Research and fact checking isn't something they either do or are well versed in. Reporting has been reduced to what-ever can be downloaded from the networks or AP online. Original ideas are usually shot down. Standards have greatly decreased over the years. Visual media basics such as lighting, composition, shot placement/set up have all been pushed to the bottom of the skills list. Now days its more about parroting the network lines than being the "fourth column" and/or holding government to account.

[Diamondback]

I understand the reason for it. But the being FORCED part, will probably take same kids that are a problem and make the resentment even worse.

Or take sorts that have interests nobody else shares, and MAKE resentment at forcing us square pegs into round holes. (OTOH, I've always gotten along better with my seniors than peers--at that age I woulda rather gone out to the airstrip in my backyard and hung out with the Flying Club guys swapping their "No Shit There I Was"es than have anything to do with the Bitchy Little Girls that were most of my graduating class.

[kremtok]

Access, access, access. Control thereof.

Absolutely. Multiple AS’s have simply driven up and parked (Parkland took a ****ing Uber and was dropped off) and walked right in. Fits in to what I was saying. Adherence to basic controls, diligence, and a safety and security mindset. Thanks for the reply!

A locked door would do more to thwart attacks than all of the ‘gun control’ in the world.

[Bulletdog]

Highlights from the article:
1. Metal Detectors In Every School
2. Enforce Everything
3. Perform Active Shooter Drills
4. Reinforce Doors, Windows, Buses, Locks
5. Recruit Retired Military & Law Enforcement
6. Arm All Appropriate Personnel
7. Publicize Consequence

Point by point:
1. This is a useless and expensive waste of time, if stopping mass school shootings is the goal. These guys walk in shooting. They'll just shoot the unarmed guy manning the metal detector and walk on in as they would have if there was no metal detector. Think about it. If you wanted to walk into a place and kill a bunch of people, would a metal detector even slow you down? Wouldn't slow me down. I find that many decent people have a hard time visualizing things from a "bad guy's" point of view. So what if a beeping sound happens when you walk through a portal to get into your pre-selected gun-free killing zone? That is no deterrent to a person who doesn't care if they live or die, and intends to kill lots of people.
2. I've been saying this for years. It was a complaint about BHO's regime. All those people were denied firearms purchases through NICS on their DROS forms, but hardly any of them were prosecuted. Their signature is on paper committing another felony. Put them in jail. Its a slam dunk easy case. Felon tries to buy a gun and stupidly fills out the paper work and signs it. Go pick them up, charge them, convict them and lock them up. Simple. We don't need more laws. Crime would be reduced tremendously if they would simply enforce existing law, and then keep violent criminals in prison for their entire sentence. Why in the hell are we letting these people out early?
3. I don't know about this one. There are too many variables to train for. I suppose if we make it something simple and easy to apply to a variety of situations, it could have some positive effect. Just a few simple, easy to remember steps. Something like the Eddie Eagle program, but obviously tailored to this particular issue. Still, I don't know what more needs to be said other than if you hear gunfire at school, run your little a$$ the hell out of there. That is what I told my kid. RUN! Don't ask permission. Run the opposite direction of the gunfire, hop a fence, find a safe place to run to and call me ASAP. We've discussed local businesses in each direction that she can run to.
4. I agree on this one. If Sandy Hook had a stronger door, Mr. A-Hole never would have gotten in. This will cost some money, but how much does a massacre in the school cost?
5. I like this one. It has potential for problems too, but if you believe that most people are good and will do the right thing, as I do, then this point will mostly work well. I worry about the few bad apples that might sneak through, but I don't see that small potential percentage as a reason to not do this one. The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, or several of them with guns.
6. Same as number five.
7. Agreed. The media won't do it, but it would deter a lot of the wannabes if they showed the mass murderer's bullet riddled dead body, lifeless face and canoed forehead. I keep asking these "do something" idiots what they think will stop this. Showing these little A-holes the reality of their own painful violent death, after failing to kill any kids, would be more of a deterrent than another failed gun ban. Show them they won't be famous and have a death toll assigned to their name. Show them that they will be dead and that they will fail.

[Joelski]

Armed, trained staff (custodians, cafeteria, office staff in addition to teachers) combined with measures similar to Govt. offices has to happen. Little has been said about design measures such as single point of ingress/egress, bullet proof glass, and a central control room can be done without making the building resemble a prison. Enter the first set of doors, state your business and pass, or be locked down in an assault-proof containment and wait for the gas if you show harmful intent. Many newer schools employ a 2 stage entrance, but many still allow you to walk right in. I've been teaching Stop the Bleed in my home, several surrounding counties and access leaves a lot to be desired.

[fledge]

Some good ideas here.

This jumped out at me:

I also think it sounds like we'd be making prisons out of our schools. I

This reveals my libertarian leanings but schools are prisons. They require compulsory attendance to a govt building. If the govt cannot secure that building, it should not be compulsory.

Adding required after school programs are consistent with the current system. To say “no because freedom” is to miss the very point.

That’s why homeschooling became an option from a legal perspective. Otherwise the state owns your kid. If you cannot homeschool, the state owns your kid. This is a real issue and why school choice is part and parcel of this large school safety debate.

To put it another way, The majority is Americans are required by the govt to send their vulnerable kids (minors) to an unsecured location where they are not allowed by law to protect themselves to be indoctrinated into a soft target for wackos, terrorists, and everyday educational communists. Let it sink in.