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    Quote Originally Posted by ramairthree View Post
    Sadly, we used to mock the idiocy of left with their laws and misunderstandings.

    Now they have evolved into being more dangerously targeted.
    That's sadly the two-step... we adapt to their tactics, they adapt to ours. Too bad we don't have the late Aaron Zelman of JPFO directly challenging them with the experience of the oppressed anymore, may he rest in peace...

    Of course, we've long known that as soon as we started getting traction about "ugly gun" they'd go after semiautos, then bolt-actions as "high power sniper rifles" next, then shotguns as "dangerous streetsweeeper mass killers"...
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    Just wait until 22 LR's become low recoil assassin guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboTBL View Post
    Just wait until 22 LR's become low recoil assassin guns.
    Yep. Replace "Terminator" with "Gun Grabber" and Kyle Reese's little speech rings just as true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes View Post
    Well, we know that Lenin, Stalin, and Mao wouldn't have put up with any crap like that.

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”


    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

    That was the exact quote I was going to post, bravo.

    I'll quote it so it is mentioned again all these pages later.

    BTW, Amazon has The Gulag Archipelago....buy several copies and pass them around before they start banning books.
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    If it happened now it would literally spark civil war.
    Police and military would probably split 50/50 each both in favor and fighting against.

    Not going to happen as an all out ban, it will be paper cut method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboTBL View Post
    Just wait until 22 LR's become low recoil assassin guns.
    I remember a few years ago, the LEFT was promoting the concept that scoped, bolt action, hunting rifles were "SNIPER RIFLES", and should be banned.

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    This article is interesting mainly because it asks THE question:

    “What if Americans don’t want to give up their guns?”

    There’s still not been a rational and logical response on how that would be handled from any Democrat; politician or otherwise.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ant-seize-them

    My take: It's a line from one of the Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movies.

    "You've never seen me very upset."


    Submitted for your perusal:


    http://daktologistindustries.com/tot...s/gunedit.html

    I have an actual hard copy of this magazine article from the 1990's.

    My take: this article was quoted on radio shows, in other articles, and in gun shop banter before there was much of an internet. THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN, and we all need to pray it never gets this bad.

    Submitted for your perusal:


    Editorial by Jim Shults
    Modern Gun Magazine
    October 1994

    HG Publications, INC
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    Perhaps it was fate that caused me to call LFP's President last year
    to see if he would like to do a military or gun magazine. It seemed
    like bad timing to start a major new national and international gun
    magazine at a time when the government is going socialist, and with
    their need to confiscate guns to enable enforcement of the new order
    already in progress, but in spite of all this, it has worked out very
    well. If I didn't have this job, I would not have learned of the
    following information, which I personally related to the offices of
    several U. S. senators and representatives

    Some of this information was based upon an anonymous letter I got from
    a reader about six months ago--a letter, long since destroyed, but one
    that lingers on in my memory, written by a person I felt had an
    extensive military background. In my calls to the senators, I mixed in
    some firearm-industry sales information as well as what I've been
    hearing from around the country.

    Well, if I can call U.S. senators Ben Nighthorse Campbell (D-Colo.),
    Hank Brown (R-Colo.), Robert Dole, Senate minority leader (R-Kan.),
    Senate majority leader George Mitchell (D-Maine) and House minority
    leader Bob Michel (R-III.), and Modern Gun special pro-jects editor
    Robin Heid can inform blithering idiot Pat Schroeder's (D-Co.) aide in
    a face-to-face meeting at Pat's Denver office, then I can sure tell
    you folks. In fact, you might want to send a copy of this editorial to
    your elected officials, because very few, if any, have considered what
    follows.

    THE CALL BEGINS

    You folks (politicians) do not really understand what is going to
    happen when this antigun legislation goes into effect; let me first
    tell you about the gun industry. Ever since October, 1993 gun sales of
    all types have grown so quickly that the factories--all of them--are
    anywhere from 16,000 guns back-ordered for a small specialty company
    to 178,000 for one major company. (I told them the names of these,
    plus several others that have back-orders in the 45,000 to 56,000
    range due to buyer demand) I told them that it was even getting
    difficult to quickly get guns for articles, and that getting high
    capacity rifle and pistol magazines was next to impossible,
    except for the rare supply of military surplus at gun shows.

    I related that many makers of primers and ammunition are backordered
    until June of 1995, and that major wholesale distributors of ammunition
    are now scrounging for any 9mm, .45 ACP, 5.56mm, 7.62mm NATO, 7.62 x
    39mm .38/.357 and .30 06 ammo that they can get; I told of the small
    foreign-bullet manufacturer who went to the SHOT show to try to sell 5
    million 9mm bullets and came out after one day with orders for 97
    million; that the sales of certain types of powder for reloading are
    beyond belief, and making it nearly impossible for even major ammo
    makers to turn out product.

    Then I asked the aides: Do you think that the people who are buying
    this stuff in these quantities are doing so to prepare for when these
    socialist laws go into effect, so that they can turn this stuff in?
    The aides gave me the answer: no!

    I then told them that when this "government" makes things like
    magazines, springs, bayonet lugs, pistol grips, etc., federally
    illegal, a person may as well go out and get a machine gun or
    something even more deadly; after all, a federal crime is a federal
    crime, and a felony is a felony. If our government is going to
    artificially create nearly 40 million citizen/criminals, a
    significant percentage will get real serious about their new "job
    title." Again, the aides agreed.

    Who will these new criminals be? Well, they won't be some gang-banger
    dirtbag who never finished the fifth grade, has no job, does drive-by-
    shootings, holds up liquor stores and sells crack. This new federal
    criminal will consist of men who are combat and military veterans from
    WWII, Korea, the Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi,
    and special operations forces from around the world. Many of these
    veterans really know how to shoot, move and communicate, and have
    killed. Men who are no longer afraid of hostile artillery and are
    hardly intimidated by a BATF agent in a ninja outfit!

    The new criminal class will be made up of men, women and their
    children, who are educated, run businesses or make businesses work,
    and have raised or are raising families. People who pay taxes and
    currently make this country work. In other words, a serious bunch of
    potentially real mean, smart cookies who can make things happen. The
    military may oppose them, but as the Russian experience taught, many
    "kids" don't join the military to kill fellow citizens.

    Now the aforementioned citizen criminal class will eliminate a lot of
    people, and the people terminated, according to this letter, will
    include city, state and national politicians, local and regional media
    personalities (the propaganda arm), all forms of law enforcement
    (drive-up assassinations while they are in their cars) and just
    common, everyday federal employees.

    The chilling part of the letter also said that the families,
    neighbors, friends and coworkers, and the children and wives of these
    people, would be under assault so as to cut off any moral and real
    support. His scenario is similar to the famous Phoenix Program in
    Vietnam, which found that by attacking the infrastructure and its
    supporters, change can be forced--or else! And who wants to be the
    next person (target) to lead, collect guns or taxes, or sell the party
    propaganda at a network affiliate or newspaper, in any capacity, from
    secretary to reporter, camera operator, or, especially, announcer or
    columnist? Naturally, this activity would result in more government
    controls, which would meet with more citizen resistance, and all of
    this could ultimately lead to all-out civil war. Yes. I know I am
    pushing the envelope of supposition, but this is how civil wars start.

    I related to the senatorial aides that less than 2% of guns were
    declared after California passed their state law against semiauto
    rifles, and that less than 0.2% of the "semis" were declared after
    Denver passed their gun law. This means tens of millions nationwide
    will not comply, creating the world's largest "criminal" class of
    people, all of which will fight, and fight hard, to turn things
    around. While I did not relate the following excerpt, it is quite
    possibly our future.

    From the book Atlas Shrugged, written in 1930 by Ayn Rand, I quote:
    "The only power any government has is the power to crack down on
    criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them.
    One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible
    for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law
    abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the
    kinds of laws that can be neither observed nor enforced nor
    objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers- and
    then you can cash in on the guilt."

    I continued by telling them that they knew that gun control had
    nothing to do with crime. and everything to do with control of the
    citizenry. I asked them to work hard to communicate this to their
    contemporaries in Congress: They are about to create a nation of
    lawbreakers.

    They took this to heart, and did not receive this as a threat hell, I
    told them who I was, etc. In fact I was referred to Campbell directly
    by his aide's Colorado State Representative. l will tell you folks,
    for the first time in my life, this particular government has me
    scared out of my wits for my personal and national security, and fear
    held by millions of Americans does not promote polite behavior.

    I really don't think that the politicians and media people at all
    levels know what they are creating, because a "direct price" has not
    yet been extracted from them for their actions. All of the senators'
    aides I talked with were surprised at the industry numbers and data,
    and especially surprised at the concept of a huge, smart and highly
    experienced criminal class that they are about to create. In fact, one
    flat told me he had never thought of that, and he was the particular
    senator's gun legislation aide.

    I informed them that, to a huge percentage of our population, guns are
    not just a thing they will do without. To many in this country the
    military gun is a very real symbol of freedom. A symbol of the meaning
    of our original Constitution, of the legacy of millions of fallen
    brothers-in-arms over the last 250 years. I tried to communicate to
    them that, to many people, guns are nearly a religion.

    This concept is something many big-city Eastern or high-profile,
    heavily insulated and privately guarded, millionaire political-elitist
    types cannot understand. I told them that everyone knows any
    registration will lead to punitive taxation or outright confiscation
    down the road. After answering their questions, the calls were
    concluded.

    A couple of months ago I struck up a conversation with some guy at a
    gun show. Eventually, I told him of the letter I received. He said
    examples like the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents would serve to control
    the population to some extent. However, he said illegal-gun arrests
    would operate like drug busts. A friend, ex-wife, or paid informer
    would simply target old Joe's house as having "illegal guns," etc.
    Nighttime and odd-hour SWAT-type raids would result.

    He informed me that if you have these kinds of "illegal" items, you
    shouldn't tell people, show them, or fire them; you either put them to
    preemptive use or you'd better surrender them and accept whatever your
    government has in store for you. Hiding them in your home and then
    having a fire--which is always investigated by law enforcement--will
    result in your arrest, and burying guns in the hills is just plain
    silly, because, according to him, now is the time to fight, not later.
    He used the example of what would have happened to WWII if, in the
    early 1930s, German citizens would have taken action to stop an
    out-of-control government and propaganda machine. This old boy was
    dead serious; he knew combat and had survived bayonet and hand-to-hand
    fighting in Korea.

    The ability to stop the insanity is in the hands of Congress and their
    supporters in the media. Time is short. Citizens are very angry and
    prepared. I'll tell you this, I sure as hell would not want to be in
    any form of law enforcement and have to enforce this craziness. Eighty
    thousand dollars a year is not enough pay when you have created one
    federal criminal out of every four adults in an entire country.
    The gun grabbers forget that what spawned the so-called "militia movement" in the first place was the notion dreamed up by the liberals that there is no "individual" right to bear arms.

    The SCOTUS Heller decision should have put that one to bed, but if you're a liberal gun-hating anti-2A politician, the law and its consequences don't matter.

    Well, they will, Mr. or Ms. Liberal. They will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    That was the exact quote I was going to post, bravo.

    I'll quote it so it is mentioned again all these pages later.

    BTW, Amazon has The Gulag Archipelago....buy several copies and pass them around before they start banning books.


    I have been meaning to grab a copy of this. Abridged or unabridged? Seems unabridged is a little harder to find. Alao i am seeing 3 volumes. I take it all three would be preferable ?
    Whiskey

    May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one

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    I would get the three volume set, and read it the way Aleksander wrote it. That's what I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    One point that I have not seen mentioned, nor stressed enough, is that the 2nd Ammendment is “THE” Anchor Right. The 2nd Ammendment is the one that ensures ALL RIGHTS. Without it, no other right can or will exist. At the point that we, as a nation, no longer have the RKBA...well, we are nothing short of “ruled”. That is all...keep your powder dry, and don’t forget the water and beans.
    I agree.


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