There is a reason frozen meat is not part of the FBI testing protocols.Originally Posted by wtm75
The 4layer denim test closely mirrors actual shootings.
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There is a reason frozen meat is not part of the FBI testing protocols.
The 4layer denim test closely mirrors actual shootings.
Last edited by MegademiC; 03-11-18 at 13:00.
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.45 acp fmj- penetrates plenty, feeds in anything, and makes .45" hole without expanding. FTW!
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Just what this thread needed.
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That reminds me of an article I read a number of years ago. In England they were testing jet engines for bird strikes, so in their lab they were launching chickens (like from the grocery store, not live ones) into the jet turbines to simulate hitting a big one. They were aghast and perplexed because these chickens were causing catastrophic engine damage, completely penetrating all the way through the fans and out the backside. Supposedly they contacted the FAA over here to pick their brains as well as give them a heads-up to what they had found. The Americans asked for the test protocol to be sent to them and then they looked things over. Apparently a few days later a phone call back across the pond went something like this: "Uh, did you know that you're not supposed to use frozen chickens?"
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And you guys don't think that there isn't any barrier with the same consistency or hardness that's similar to partially frozen meat? It wasn't even completely frozen according to the tester. It was just left out while he was setting up his table and chronograph.
I'm not knocking the HST. I'm just pointing out what could happen with any hollow point after going through a certain barrier of a certain consistency. It could be any barrier.
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HST has passed many law enforcement tests and is widely considered to be one of the best choices out there. It has also worked well in actual shootings.
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So has any other round that passed certain tests. They work the majority of the time but fail in some. I'm sure it's failed other times in the street but never recorded because it wasn't priority to. As evidenced from other YouTube tests, there have been failures. In one test I saw, it failed to expand after going through sheet metal.
You can't just say because it passed FBI tests it works in 100 percent of all cases. That's my point. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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I'm not saying that passing the FBI test equates to 100% performance in all cases.
I am saying that "real world" feedback validate the FBI testing protocol.
Regardless, I'd be more inclined to believe something like this over a piece of partially frozen meat.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/Bone%20S...ne%20Test.html
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Whether this new hydrashok performs better is yet to be determined but it's a welcome step in the right direction. There shouldn't be people here defending their choices of ammo like it's the end all load and it can't improve because it's 100 percent perfect. It's not. If it was, the FBI would cease all testing and settle on their current load indefinitely.
Some hollow points perform perfectly in some instances and fail in others. There isn't a hollow point out there yet that expands as much as it can while penetrating 18 inches through all barriers. (Including cold meat or sheet metal like shown below)
We aren't there yet. I welcome new ammo that tries to improve on others rather than saying my HST is the the end all or something similar to that effect.
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