3 malfunctions in a class today.

**Swstock** · 03-10-18, 18:59

Hi everyone. Im hoping someone can shed light on this

I took a primary-secondary class today and had 3 malfunctions out of roughly 400 ar rounds.

I couldn't inspect much as it happened because they were all mid drill and I needed to get back into the drill.

The first 2 were fail to feeds. The bolt picked up the round but didn't push it into the chamber. It appeared to get stuck on the feedramps.

For the last one, I had a click but no bang. I pulled the charging handle but it didn't move. I dropped the mag, pulled again hard and cleared it.

Upper parts were: Aero Precision receiver
Ballistic advantage 16" middy barrel
Rubber city armory bcg
Geissele CH

Ammo was 2009 bvac psp that I just wanted to burn though

Mags were series 2 hex 10/30s.

I thought the first 2 were ammo related so kinda dismissed them.

The last one really concerned me.

Can it all just be that old ammo?

**SDSwoll** · 03-10-18, 19:16

Check for burrs on feed ramps and in chamber area first to rule that out. Given the feeding issues you also had I would guess the last malfunction was from a rough area, nick, burr etc. on the round itself which prevented the bolt from fully locking (click no bang) and then grabbed the chamber resulting in the extra hard extraction. Were u able to check the primer on the last round to see if it had been struck?

**ggammell** · 03-10-18, 19:59

Try running some ball ammo. Perhaps that pointed soft point was the cause.

If I recall, they did not have a good reputation. And a quick google search shows that they don’t even have a website anymore. That’s a sign.

**26 Inf** · 03-10-18, 20:54

Originally Posted by ggammell

Try running some ball ammo. Perhaps that pointed soft point was the cause.

If I recall, they did not have a good reputation. And a quick google search shows that they don’t even have a website anymore. That’s a sign.

BVAC was bought out by a couple of investors who proceeded to gut the company that Darren Newsom had built. They did stuff such as have the payments sent to Illinois (where they were) and didn't give the factory much money to pay bills and buy supplies - at the end they were on cash before we ship status with most suppliers.

In 2009, Darrin was still running the company, he didn't sell until 2010 and the ammo was some of the best remanufactured and new ammo you could buy.

**ggammell** · 03-10-18, 21:04

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

BVAC was bought out by a couple of investors who proceeded to gut the company that Darren Newsom had built. They did stuff such as have the payments sent to Illinois (where they were) and didn't give the factory much money to pay bills and buy supplies - at the end they were on cash before we ship status with most suppliers.

In 2009, Darrin was still running the company, he didn't sell until 2010 and the ammo was some of the best remanufactured and new ammo you could buy.

Interesting. I didn’t get into the game serious until 2012 so that’s my frame of reference.

And for anyone else following, the PSP comment was aimed to be a technical response to the question. Kind of a two part response if you will.

**MegademiC** · 03-10-18, 22:10

Sounds like bad ammo. If it was stuck in the chamber could thst slow the bolt enough to cause a short stroke?

Im thinking two almost stuck cases, and a bad round that was the dud that was stuck and didnt fire for some reason.

... or 2 mag issues and a separate ammo issue?

**TMS951** · 03-12-18, 10:51

Originally Posted by Swstock

I couldn't inspect much as it happened because they were all mid drill and I needed to get back into the drill.

Im not going to comment on the malfunction, but I will give you a training tip. When we take classes we repeat drills, they are great learning tools we create. A malfunction is an amazing training tool. Don't let it go to waste. Take time to learn about your gun, especially if you'll ever bet your life on it. Stop and really look at what happened. Now that you took that all in get into clearing it and getting into the drill again. Or initially transition to your secondary and then after the drill check out your gun.

I find classes to also be great opportunity to test out a gun, so if it goes down I want to really know why.

**Swstock** · 03-12-18, 11:36

Originally Posted by TMS951

Im not going to comment on the malfunction, but I will give you a training tip. When we take classes we repeat drills, they are great learning tools we create. A malfunction is an amazing training tool. Don't let it go to waste. Take time to learn about your gun, especially if you'll ever bet your life on it. Stop and really look at what happened. Now that you took that all in get into clearing it and getting into the drill again. Or initially transition to your secondary and then after the drill check out your gun.

I find classes to also be great opportunity to test out a gun, so if it goes down I want to really know why.

Yea man it happened and I completely fumbled. Instead of transitioning which was the whole point of the class, I went straight to getting the rifle back into action.