Self Defense? Hmmmm

[Moose-Knuckle]

I don't think most of you are familiar with bondmen. You basically sign your rights away when you accept a bond and this is why then can enter your home and arrest you without a warrant. They basically own you and you are not a client so much as and investment and if it looks like the investment is trying to escape you become a bounty.

I spent a little time working with some bail bondsmen back in the 90s and it was eye opening. I couldn't believe they could legally do half the shit they did every day. Remember when police used to say "Stop or I'll shoot"...well bondsmen are probably the last people in the US who can still say that and back it up without going to jail.

I'm surprised more are not killed and or kill.

Take the modern day take on the old Mexican standoff we saw last year here where two bounty hunters and their prey all shot each other dead in a crowded auto dealership's lobby.

[pinzgauer]

There is another YouTube video with a news report that shows the guy crawled through a window and then fell landing on a balcony.

We'll never know, but it is very unlikely based on the window size and position that he was trying to attack her and then fell and landed outside the window. It was shoulder-high.

I personally have a hard time with self defense on this one, but also agree that a murder charge was probably overrreach.

[ramairthree]

Is there some weird right they have about fleeing personnel different than LE?

If not, I guess they went with too high a charge.

Or, everyone in town knew him and hated him and was cool with it.

[C-grunt]

She got off because of 3 things:

1. The shooting occurred off camera

2. The son probably wouldn’t testify against her

3. Because of #1 there was no real way to refute her story

[SteyrAUG]

Is there some weird right they have about fleeing personnel different than LE?

Yes. In a lot of ways it it like being allowed to use deadly force to prevent property theft. In this case, the guy was the property.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Yes. In a lot of ways it it like being allowed to use deadly force to prevent property theft. In this case, the guy was the property.

Do you have any legal citations to this? While I can't claim to be an expert on bail-bonds law, what you're saying goes against literally everything I have been taught about allowable use of deadly force, both by civilians and by LE.

[ramairthree]

Do you have any legal citations to this? While I can't claim to be an expert on bail-bonds law, what you're saying goes against literally everything I have been taught about allowable use of deadly force, both by civilians and by LE.

That’s what I was asking.

Is there some weird statute for bondsmen/bounty hunters there.

For standard LE/non LE personnel it did not look like a good shoot.

He looked like a guy that could have kicked both their asses, but did not.
If he is uncouth enough to pick his feet in someone’s office, he would have had no trouble hitting a “lady.”

I did not see him go for the drawer or do much other than make a break for it.

Edit-
For the record I am cool with areas that let people use deadly force to protect property.
You don’t think it’s right to kill someone fro trying to drive off in car car? Cool. Don’t shoot someone driving off in your car, and don’t try to drive off in my car. I have a different opinion.

[SteyrAUG]

Do you have any legal citations to this? While I can't claim to be an expert on bail-bonds law, what you're saying goes against literally everything I have been taught about allowable use of deadly force, both by civilians and by LE.

Nope, just remember having things explained to me in the early 90s, and yes they can (or at least could) do things that both regular folks and LE would not be able to do. You sign away a LOT when you sign that dotted line.

[Diamondback]

OTOH, bounty hunters are frequently the type of triggerhappy maniacs that make collections agents seem pleasant... I had a few of the latter in various classes with me over my academic career, and all were the types that gave me the urge to kick their teeth in until they had to learn how to chew with their assholes.

Dog Chapman anywhere near MY hood? My first instinct based on his kick-every-door-cuff-or-cap-'em-all-let-the-lawyers-sort-it-out reputation is barricade the doors/windows and prepare an OP on the rooftop with a DMR...

"Bounty hunters! We don't need that scum!"--Admiral Piett

[NWPilgrim]

Then don't sign your life away to get a bond if you are ever arrested.

Or, if you sign tour life away to get a bond then show up in court as promised and no agent will have to kick your door in.

Bounty hunters/bondsmen aren't kicking in doors out of boredom. Someone sign an agreement that in exchange for putting 10% of their bail amount and the bondsmen posting the full bail, you promise to show up in court on time. Only if you fail to promptly fulfill you court obligations do the bounty hunters go a knocking. If you answer your door like a human being they won't need to kick in your door. If you hide in your rooftop Fort Zindernoof then expect the jackboot approach.

You have to fail miserably to luve up to your signed bind agreement for it to get to the point of getting shot. Like trying to jump out of a window instead if surrendering and go to jail/court as you promised you would so you only had to cough up 10%.

You can avoid getting a bond for your bail by awaiting your court date in jail, or pay the court the full amount if your bail.

But if you sign on the line which says "If I fail to keep this agreement you can hunt me down and bring me back dead or alive," then don't be surprised if they uphold their end of the deal when you run/hide.