Originally Posted by
ramairthree
The difference between libertatians and conservatives vs progressives tends to be:
We believe in facts. And we believe in freedoms even when facts are against it.
We don’t deny a lot of gangbangers and criminals and accident prone people might be alive if there were no guns. But their deaths don’t negate my rights. Freedom has a price.
We don’t deny we could knock out 50% of violent crime if, say, every black male from 15 to 35 was sent to an internment camp. But those crimes don’t negate the rights of innocent black males not committing crimes. Freedom has a price.
They believe in how they believe or want things to be. Regardless of rights, facts, reality, etc. and deny them. It is a very childlike operating system. Or literally like some features of a mental illness.
Long, facts, and arguments do little to ameliorate this.
Some have other agendas. They literally want the end of a civilization dominated by European, male, Christian mores, ethics, laws, and standards. Period. You spank your son for hitting a girl for talking smack to him at recess in kindergarten who likely likely grow up to be a law abiding, productive citizen. You and your wife should go to jail for child abuse in their minds. Two lesbians with psychiatric issues transition their kindergarten son to a female who will be lucky to make it out of adolescence before committing suicide or dying of an overdose will be lauded as brave heroes.
Hundreds of little communities sprung up among the counterculture decades ago. Unless supported by a European, Christian male dominated society- they all failed. For some reason converting the supporting society into one of these alternative cultures will work. Just like they expect unassimilated cultures to work instead of being the shithole they were, and will be unless supported by the culture.. umm... that they want to destroy.
And we are racist for calling a shithole a shithole.
When what we really want, say, is for Hispanics immigrants to come legally, learn English, obey the law, get educated, decide they are down with upward mobility- and keep America great. Sounds pretty non racist to me.
Instead of wanting a bunch of people to come here illegally, no learn English, break other laws, get treated like helpless children and be a supported underclass in exchange for votes. Which seems pretty racist to me.
You being armed throws a monkey wrench in the unchecked crime, lawlessness, increasing taxes, and burning down the house you live in. Facts and logic will not be a major factor with the left. You may convince your Fudd uncle the 2A ain’t just for huntin’. Or get your BIL to understand he has far more to fear than his CCL neighbor working 90 hours a week at his law firm. Or some co-workers that 1000 rounds is not an arsenal. It’s a couple of practice sessions and a handful of matches. But before long you end up out of reasonable people to convince.
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