New Kalashnikov for Russian Forces

[Hank6046]

So.... you added a few picatinny rails?...

[MegademiC]

So.... you added a few picatinny rails?...

Same gun new furniture. Guess its similar to commando vs mk18 minus barrel length... and i dont think the commando was std issue.

[RetroRevolver77]

I like everything about it except the AR stock. The standard steel folding stock would have a higher cheek weld and can easily be outfitted with a cheek rest. What they should have done is use the Molot style stock with the flip up cheek rest.

[JoshNC]

I’m surprised that the Russians (and anyone else continuing to issue modernized AKs) haven’t gone to a more SIG 551-like design - separate upper and lower with integral rigidly affixed optic rail on the upper that doesn’t require movement/removal/etc during disassembly. The removable top cover design of the AK is antiquated IMO....queue 7n6 reply in 3, 2, 1....go....

[vicious_cb]

I’m surprised that the Russians (and anyone else continuing to issue modernized AKs) haven’t gone to a more SIG 551-like design - separate upper and lower with integral rigidly affixed optic rail on the upper that doesn’t require movement/removal/etc during disassembly. The removable top cover design of the AK is antiquated IMO....queue 7n6 reply in 3, 2, 1....go....

As 7n6 would say, how can you demonstrate the superior reliability of the AK without the ability to open the top cover and stuff a ham sandwich into the receiver?

[RetroRevolver77]

I’m surprised that the Russians (and anyone else continuing to issue modernized AKs) haven’t gone to a more SIG 551-like design - separate upper and lower with integral rigidly affixed optic rail on the upper that doesn’t require movement/removal/etc during disassembly. The removable top cover design of the AK is antiquated IMO....queue 7n6 reply in 3, 2, 1....go....

The AK's removable topcover is a survival tool.

Steal potato, cook potato in topcover.

As 7n6 would say, how can you demonstrate the superior reliability of the AK without the ability to open the top cover and stuff a ham sandwich into the receiver?

Does your favorite rifle eat ham sandwiches?

Mine does.




Here is an in depth video using science to prove the AK is superior.






7n6

[SteyrAUG]

I like everything about it except the AR stock. The standard steel folding stock would have a higher cheek weld and can easily be outfitted with a cheek rest. What they should have done is use the Molot style stock with the flip up cheek rest.

Or half a dozen other stock options that don't require a buffer tube.

[Doc Safari]

What you guys are politely driving at is that they look like typical Ninja Boy junk, am I reading it correctly?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Picatinny? How 20th Century. M-Lok my neo-commie friends.....

[RetroRevolver77]

What you guys are politely driving at is that they look like typical Ninja Boy junk, am I reading it correctly?

What they were originally going to do and what they actually did were slightly different. The AK 12 was supposed to be very modern, integrated top rail, free float barrel, ambi-selector switch, collapsible folding stock, railed handguards, suppressor adaptable, bolt hold open and bolt release if I remember correctly. Vickers actually did a segment on the proto-type. What they ended up with is a more "dumbed down" version, it does have some of those features but not all- likely due to cost for mass production. Honestly they brought their variant of the Kalashnikov up to the late 90's Polish Beryl 96 specs. Which is fine, it's not broke- it works very well, it's slightly modernized for optics and accessories but more importantly works well in their Siberian environment for some sections of the country. Plus it is easy to maintain with gloved hands, which is why they essentially will likely never go to a Westernized upper/lower style system.


Here's the original AK 12;

http://armamentresearch.com/differen...tion-of-ak-12/