Originally Posted by
ABNAK
I cannot stand John McCain. He is a Deep State RINO if there ever was one.
That said, I will never criticize him for what may have happened in the Hanoi Hilton, shy of becoming a total turncoat (which I've never heard of happening). Did he break under torture? Probably, but ANY ONE OF US would break facing the same things done like he faced. This isn't waterboarding we're talking about, but actual freaking torture. Things like using ropes and bars to pull your shoulders out of socket. Using strips of tires to whip your flesh away. REAL shit. I've heard more than one Vietnam POW say "Everyone has a breaking point, EVERYONE."
For all the reasons I despise McCain, his actions while a POW are not among them.
Just saved me a LOT of typing.
If you weren't a POW who was also tortured at Hanoi, you don't get to criticize him for that. Criticize him for his role in the Keating Five S&L scandal or anything else, but he held up as well as any man during Vietnam.
I also seem to recall he declined a trade deal which would have allowed him to go home. How many men would have turned that one down? Not sure I would have. With that single act, he bought a lifetime of integrity regarding his Vietnam service, at least as far as I'm concerned.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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