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    I'm no fan of some of Senator McCain's policy positions, but have nothing but respect for his service and sacrifice. In my opinion, Retired Lieutenant General McInerney demonstrated churlishness in his comments about Senator McCain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjacobs View Post
    First I had heard of his nickname of "songbird" or "tweetybird" while in the Hanoi Hilton was back in 07 or so.
    Again who knows what they hell went on behind the doors of the Hanoi Hilton and I know it wasnt nice things, but when a lot of people are calling McCain out for this stuff years ago, something is amiss in the who said what accounts.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-t...rce-1525992611
    The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it agreed to brief House Intelligence Committee members about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source’s name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.
    We also know that among the Justice Department’s stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the “source” may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That’s notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this “top secret” source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.
    I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it.

    Makes you go "Hmmmmm?" Doesn't it?
    The McCain/Trump hate goes deep. Not only did McCain decide to bad mouth Trump during the Primaries, once he got some pay back, like "My Hero's don't get captured." the whole mess escalated, well; "Hugely!"
    I honestly believe McCain was increasingly jealous as Trump began eliminating the field of rivals and to no small degree McCain was jealous and the pettiness on both sides escalated.
    It's no secret McCain took the Steele document to the DOJ, it's no secret he sent folks to Europe to retrieve and get access to the documents, but you have to ask yourself would McCain in his fit of jealous rage work with the DOJ to help infiltrate the Trump campaign?
    I would perhaps be not surprised at this point.
    If there was ever an insider willing to work against conservatism in order to promote the one party insiders it is and will remain John McCain and it will be so until the day he dies.
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    McCain is nothing if not livid that Trump became POTUS, when he absolutely believes it was his destiny to be POTUS instead. That a political outsider who never amassed a war hero resume could do what he couldn’t, burns him to his core. So rather than being noble and focusing on his family in his final days, he’s burning everyone and everything he doesn’t like on his way out. He’s being quite ignoble on his way out. It’s unbecoming and detrimental to everyone involved. I can and do respect his service, but that ended 37 years ago and I haven’t seen him do anything resembling honorable since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    McCain is nothing if not livid that Trump became POTUS, when he absolutely believes it was his destiny to be POTUS instead. That a political outsider who never amassed a war hero resume could do what he couldn’t, burns him to his core. So rather than being noble and focusing on his family in his final days, he’s burning everyone and everything he doesn’t like on his way out. He’s being quite ignoble on his way out. It’s unbecoming and detrimental to everyone involved. I can and do respect his service, but that ended 37 years ago and I haven’t seen him do anything resembling honorable since then.
    Yes to all of that, but...
    Is he capable of being the guy who helped get a guy inside the Team Trump strategy meetings to report back to the DOJ/FBI machine?
    I would have to say, he certainly had both motive and opportunities.
    Given his nature, I think it's a good possibility.

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    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...rump-campaign/
    But Strassel points out that many questions remain. She wrote:

    “The players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?
    “And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.”
    Strassel said if the source predates that tip on Papadopoulos, things could get very uncomfortable for the FBI. She urged President Trump to move to declassify “everything possible.” “It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid,” she wrote.

    If you'll remember John McCain had his hands on this stuff early in the game and admitted that he turned it over immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjacobs View Post
    First I had heard of his nickname of "songbird" or "tweetybird" while in the Hanoi Hilton was back in 07 or so. Guy I was working with worked with a couple guys who were there(and also had been pilots that had been shot down). They were all pissed when he was running for POTUS and were very vocal according to this guy I worked with. I did some more checking and found other people talking about this.

    Again who knows what they hell went on behind the doors of the Hanoi Hilton and I know it wasnt nice things, but when a lot of people are calling McCain out for this stuff years ago, something is amiss in the who said what accounts.
    This.
    He's milked his POW status into millions of dollars.
    Would I want to go through what he went through, no, but he (and John Kerry) have no problem milking their VN service into a fat cash cow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    I cannot stand John McCain. He is a Deep State RINO if there ever was one.

    That said, I will never criticize him for what may have happened in the Hanoi Hilton, shy of becoming a total turncoat (which I've never heard of happening). Did he break under torture? Probably, but ANY ONE OF US would break facing the same things done like he faced. This isn't waterboarding we're talking about, but actual freaking torture. Things like using ropes and bars to pull your shoulders out of socket. Using strips of tires to whip your flesh away. REAL shit. I've heard more than one Vietnam POW say "Everyone has a breaking point, EVERYONE."

    For all the reasons I despise McCain, his actions while a POW are not among them.
    Just saved me a LOT of typing.

    If you weren't a POW who was also tortured at Hanoi, you don't get to criticize him for that. Criticize him for his role in the Keating Five S&L scandal or anything else, but he held up as well as any man during Vietnam.

    I also seem to recall he declined a trade deal which would have allowed him to go home. How many men would have turned that one down? Not sure I would have. With that single act, he bought a lifetime of integrity regarding his Vietnam service, at least as far as I'm concerned.
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