Active shooter Santa Fe TX HS

[LMT Shooter]

While I feel that we gun owners ought to properly secure our firearms, I strongly believe that no one should be held criminally liable for misuse by others of our lawfully owned property. Laws penalizing gun owners for that kind of thing would be an open door for a gun owner to be charged criminally after their home is burglarized. How could a law reasonably proscribe the manner in which firearms be secured?

It isn't any of my business how anyone else secures, or fails to secure, their firearms. It ain't the government's, either.

[Honu]

on the secure guns ? well maybe they should be making all adults have a secure medicine cabinet instead and any adult with any kinda scrip of abused substances on a watch list and mandatory checks of them and the kids ! you know common sense accountability

(yes sarcasm)
but the truth is this is much larger a issue then guns

[ABNAK]

The death sentence for a minor does violate the 8th and 14th amendments, but ONLY in juvenile court! The Texas shooter will be tried in Criminal court. In this case, the shooter killed 8 children and 2 teachers and wounded another 13 including a police officer in a mass shooting spree that was pre meditated, planned and conspired in both a written and online journal.

This isn't about spur of the moment bad decision making or weather or not the shooter had the capacity to think rational or logical for a brief second. This is about a 17 year who kept a diary about his intentions and took loaded firearms as well as improvised explosives to his school for the sole purpose of killing fellow classmates.

The defense will argue age but I doubt the court will allow him being 17 as a "get out of lethal injection free card".

That doesn't mean he will be sentenced to death, he could get life in prison, but most certainly, they will try hard for the death penalty. Dylann Roof killed 9 people and got the death penalty, James Holmes killed 12 and got 12 life sentences and an additional 3,318 years. I know both these examples are of men who are above the age of 18 but it does show that in each case, the prosecutors were going for the death penalty and some get it and some don't. But Texas is Texas.

What part of that SCOTUS decision aren't you understanding? (not that I agree with it)

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

The liability is first a step towards making people have insurance for firearms ownership, then they will attack the insurance companies for writing it. It also is a way to try to get the liability for sellers and manufacturers back on the table.

This one will go out of the headlines fast. No AR = no coverage.

[elephant]

What part of that SCOTUS decision aren't you understanding? (not that I agree with it)

The SCOTUS decision ONLY applies to JUVENILE COURT! The Texas Shooter will be tried in CRIMINAL COURT even though he is under the age of 18! The Juvenile court system and the Criminal court system are NOT the same.
The difference is:

Juveniles are prosecuted for delinquent acts rather than crimes (unless it is a serious offense and the minor will be tried as an adult).

Juveniles don’t have a right to a public trial by jury. Rather, a judge hears the evidence in an adjudication hearing and rules on whether the juvenile committed a delinquent act. I assure you, this will be a public trial with a jury.

If the juvenile is found to be delinquent, appropriate action in the form of rehabilitation will be taken. In the adult criminal system, action is taken that is intended to punish the defendant.

Juvenile courts are more informal than the adult court system, and may have more lenient rules regarding courtroom procedure.

[Hmac]

The SCOTUS decision ONLY applies to JUVENILE COURT! The Texas Shooter will be tried in CRIMINAL COURT even though he is under the age of 18.

Christopher Simmons, the defendant in that SCOTUS decision, was tried as an adult (in criminal court, not juvenile court). Texas can charge him and try him however they want but since he’s 17 at the time of the crime he can’t be executed (just like Simmons). And according to Texas law, he’ll be eligible for parole at age 67.

Always interesting to see a brilliant legal mind at work, but I think you’re wrong, counselor. The issue is the defendant’s age.

[SteyrAUG]

While I feel that we gun owners ought to properly secure our firearms, I strongly believe that no one should be held criminally liable for misuse by others of our lawfully owned property. Laws penalizing gun owners for that kind of thing would be an open door for a gun owner to be charged criminally after their home is burglarized. How could a law reasonably proscribe the manner in which firearms be secured?

It isn't any of my business how anyone else secures, or fails to secure, their firearms. It ain't the government's, either.

Yep. It's like training being a requirement to own a gun. Good idea, yes....mandatory...no. Ranks right up there with aptitude tests to vote. Sounds good, but you'd soon find yourself in the "can't vote" group no matter how smart you actually are.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

So we get the Parkland shooter, the NJ shooter recently that everyone forgot and now this guy all seem to be kids that couldn't handle the harsh realities of high school- I'm being a bit facetious there; I know it can be psychologically tough on teenagers, but is is small potatoes compared to adult life. I thought all these no-score, participation trophy, everyone is a winner psycho BS was supposed to make kids feel better about themselves. Looks like it isn't helping. These kids now are the ones that have been fully raised in the new manner and they are whacking each other way more than any other generation. No ever seems to talk about that failure mode when it comes to these outbursts.

[ABNAK]

The SCOTUS decision ONLY applies to JUVENILE COURT! The Texas Shooter will be tried in CRIMINAL COURT even though he is under the age of 18! The Juvenile court system and the Criminal court system are NOT the same.
The difference is:

Juveniles are prosecuted for delinquent acts rather than crimes (unless it is a serious offense and the minor will be tried as an adult).

Juveniles don’t have a right to a public trial by jury. Rather, a judge hears the evidence in an adjudication hearing and rules on whether the juvenile committed a delinquent act. I assure you, this will be a public trial with a jury.

If the juvenile is found to be delinquent, appropriate action in the form of rehabilitation will be taken. In the adult criminal system, action is taken that is intended to punish the defendant.

Juvenile courts are more informal than the adult court system, and may have more lenient rules regarding courtroom procedure.

No, it doesn't.

HE CANNOT BE EXECUTED NO MATTER WHAT TEXAS WANTS.

[ABNAK]

Christopher Simmons, the defendant in that SCOTUS decision, was tried as an adult (in criminal court, not juvenile court). Texas can charge him and try him however they want but since he’s 17 at the time of the crime he can’t be executed (just like Simmons). And according to Texas law, he’ll be eligible for parole at age 67.

Always interesting to see a brilliant legal mind at work, but I think you’re wrong, counselor. The issue is the defendant’s age.

Yes, this is what it boils down to.