Which is faster? (DA-related)

[Ron3]

Which is faster with the same level of accuracy?

Drawing and firing from double - action, or drawing while cocking and firing single-action?

I'm going to test/time this myself but I was just curious if anyone else has timed this before.

[CDR_Glock]

Which is faster with the same level of accuracy?

Drawing and firing from double - action, or drawing while cocking and firing single-action?

I'm going to test/time this myself but I was just curious if anyone else has timed this before.

Firing Double action is faster. The problem with the alternative in a stress situation is fine motor can be compromised leading to a negligent discharge.

The single action trigger is what I use when I’m target shooting for accuracy or testing a load from a rest.


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[Ron3]

Firing Double action is faster. The problem with the alternative in a stress situation is fine motor can be compromised leading to a negligent discharge.


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I think the "single-action is more likely to result in a ND" issue is a relic from the days of revolvers and un/under trained Police Officers.

I don't think it's any less safe than a 1911/Highpower shooter that draws from condition one.

I'll time myself drawing and firing DA and then drawing and cocking with my support thumb (and firing hand) firing SA. One and two handed.

I'm sure I'm not the first to time this out.

[RHINOWSO]

Problem with your suggestion is it isn't how DA/SA pistols were meant to be used, ie drawing and cocking. Meant to be shot DA, then SA afterwards.

Neither are SAO guns - they are meant to be loaded, cocked in the process, with the safety on. Not drawn, finger banged, then fired.

But if you insist on trying this because you are a poor DA shooter, have fun.

[HCM]

I think the "single-action is more likely to result in a ND" issue is a relic from the days of revolvers and un/under trained Police Officers.

I don't think it's any less safe than a 1911/Highpower shooter that draws from condition one.

I'll time myself drawing and firing DA and then drawing and cocking with my support thumb (and firing hand) firing SA. One and two handed.

I'm sure I'm not the first to time this out.

What you are describing (thumb cocking DA Autos on the draw) is both unsafe and unreliable.

DA autos can shot be plenty fast from DA. It’s a training issue, nothing more. More correctly, training plus people too lazy to put in the work.

Check out Ernest Langdon’s YouTube video series “fear not the Double action shot.”

[Det-Sog]

Firing Double action is faster. The problem with the alternative in a stress situation is fine motor can be compromised leading to a negligent discharge.

That. I carried DA/SA Sigs on duty for 23 out of my 25 year LEO run.

Once you get practiced with, and used to the DA, it’s amazing how quickly you can clear leather and put a round right where you want it to go. Even now days, after not carrying one daily for a few years, I can still surprise myself with how accurate it is first shot DA.

No, it Will never be as fast as a striker fired model with someone equally capable, but it is surprisingly close if you practice. Maybe just a few tenths of a second. It’s all shot placement when you boil down to it.

[ramairthree]

Are you an IDPA shooter?
This is the kind of thing a bunch of old diabetes ridden old fat guys like to wax poetic about between stages of cowering behind cover at slide lock and virtually no movement stages intended not to handicap guys with COPD and gout in their fishing vests.

Just how damn accurate they would be on that first shot if not for the DA pull and how accurate they are all SA bullseye.

With DA/SA semiauto pistols this has been tested into the dirt.

Go to a USPSA March and watch the Production guys win with DA/SA gun’s with no thoughts of that first pull.
Go to training and see what the pros teach with DA/SA guns.

CIF guys were using M9s for a long period in SFARTEC and the line ODAs we’re doing SOT then SFAUC and were not cocking on the draw.

SA semiauto have such a light trigger, a safety is considered necessary when carrying.
Classic DA like a revolver had a heavier, longer trigger and safeties were no considered necessary.

DA/SA grew from a desire to have that DA “safe” margin without having to articulate a safety, but not totally lose aspects of SA trigger advantages.

Even with a safety,
On 19/2011 pistols, and also striker guns with super light triggers, it was not uncommon to see NDs at matches. Typically putting off shots early. Sometimes DQ-able, sometimes not as they claimed a “miss”. They did not really miss, these were high end shooters. They set super light trigger off a touch before they meant to.

[RHINOWSO]

Are you an IDPA shooter?
This is the kind of thing a bunch of old diabetes ridden old fat guys like to wax poetic about between stages of cowering behind cover at slide lock and virtually no movement stages intended not to handicap guys with COPD and gout in their fishing vests.

You win the internet today.

[MegademiC]

Not a recolver guy, but i want to establish a perfect grip and then draw. Drawing while cocking (any time ive cocked a revolver ir da/sa gun), resulted an a compromised grip, even though its slight.

Test it for yourself, but i bet da will be faster and more reliable, if you practice da dry fire religiously- as you should.

Keep it mind, its not what gives the best time a few times, its what is consistently fast and accurate, and repeatable.

[26 Inf]

Are you an IDPA shooter?
This is the kind of thing a bunch of old diabetes ridden old fat guys like to wax poetic about between stages of cowering behind cover at slide lock and virtually no movement stages intended not to handicap guys with COPD and gout in their fishing vests.

Come on now, celebrate diversity. And, those are photographer's vests. Jeez, always with the hate.

CIF guys were using M9s for a long period in SFARTEC and the line ODAs we’re doing SOT then SFAUC and were not cocking on the draw.

Well, hell no they weren't cocking on the draw, with those heavy Rolex's and Star sapphire rings, it was all they could do to clear nylon.