Is Economic Collapse Already Here?

[ralph]

MANY years ago..around about 1976 or so, I was introduced to the idea of SHTF, survivalism & economic collapse via reading articles in several publications, & by a man named Al Mar, of knifemaking fame. Al was a survivalist and I clearly remember when I first heard of, and realized something like this was even a possibility, well it set me off on a lifelong path of firearms, hunting, fishing, trapping, learning the "old ways"..FOXFIRE books were and are a treasure...and was a huge factor in my joining the Marine Corps infantry in '83. There has NEVER been a time since, where the Wolf wasnt at the door, where people werent trying to ban guns, hunting, the 2A and so forth.
NEVER been a time where the American economy, much less the world's, couldnt collapse OVERNIGHT given the right set of events or circumstances.
I truly, truly believe that at one time..70's & 80's and back..that a handful of people ran the worlds economies. Now, I think its so many, none of whom are on the same page, that they will bump heads soon enough. I see countries like Iran & N. Korea & Syria who back then didnt even have modern conveniences, who were still almost medieval, who now daily give the finger to America and its ally's. There were JOKES back then. They AINT NOW. They were allowed to become what they are now,thru passing the buck.
Gents- for those of you who are young..who dont know history, who havent been around to LIVE THROUGH all the shit thats happened in the past 30 years or so..you dont know how things were, and how bad theyve gotten. I got out of high school in '83..this world..this country..is UNRECOGNIZABLE to me from what it was then. Far too much to explain here & now. You older gents know EXACTLY what Im talking about.
So, I say all this..to say this: YES, THE WOLF !!IS!! AT THE DOOR- ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE. PREPARE, NOW. STAY THAT WAY. But the single, solitary thing..if I had to pick just ONE THING I ever did to prepare for...whatever comes..is I took JESUS CHRIST as my personal Lord & Savior.
Now, ..I couldnt care less whats coming, because I KNOW HE is in command..and I KNOW what happens to me when I punch out.
That MY view, & you can do with it what you will.

I agree, I graduated high school in '73, it was a entirely different world then, I figure if Trump starts making headway against the deep state, they just might pull the economic plug, in an effort to blame it all on him. They'd have no qulams about destroying this country economically, nor would they care about the disaster that would come with it. They'd let it go for about 6-12 months, and then come riding in with all the answers.. of course, there would be a small price to pay.. your rights..all of them.. and very probably, there would a big enough majority of broke dick, half starved people, who'd gladly sign away their rights, for a case of 20yr old MRE's and think they got the better deal... Was'nt it Regan who said "At any time we are no more than a generation away from losing our freedom" Hell, anymore I think 6months with out TV, the internet, facebook, twitter etc, would be enough for most people to give away the ranch, so they could get online, or watch the National Felons League on tv...

[Doc Safari]

First they will try what Trump is trying: end the disparity in trade and commerce.

Then they will start a war to take over resources (like the $5 a gallon gas we are about to see).

Then they will have bank holidays and freezes on withdrawals over a certain amount.

They will then probably both pass restrictions on entitlements and seize retirement accounts, issuing Social Security vouchers for the seized accounts.

Meanwhile, in the background you will see property and other taxes rise during the entire time until the average person has to sell his home or other assets to pay the taxes.

People will leave the country in droves (if they can afford it); others will move in with friends and relatives or become homeless.

At the end of it all, people may wait too long to resist until it simply degenerates into anarchy.

[ralph]

First they will try what Trump is trying: end the disparity in trade and commerce.

Then they will start a war to take over resources (like the $5 a gallon gas we are about to see).

Then they will have bank holidays and freezes on withdrawals over a certain amount.

They will then probably both pass restrictions on entitlements and seize retirement accounts, issuing Social Security vouchers for the seized accounts.

Meanwhile, in the background you will see property and other taxes rise during the entire time until the average person has to sell his home or other assets to pay the taxes.

People will leave the country in droves (if they can afford it); others will move in with friends and relatives or become homeless.

At the end of it all, people may wait too long to resist until it simply degenerates into anarchy.

Getting a war started in the M.E. with some nukes getting slung around, and the U. S. getting hit a couple of times, would take care of just about everything on your list.. That reminds me, I've been seeing what seems like an uptick in people getting passports at the post office lately.. maybe I should get one, while the getting is good...

[Moose-Knuckle]

First they will try what Trump is trying: end the disparity in trade and commerce.

Then they will start a war to take over resources (like the $5 a gallon gas we are about to see).

Then they will have bank holidays and freezes on withdrawals over a certain amount.

They will then probably both pass restrictions on entitlements and seize retirement accounts, issuing Social Security vouchers for the seized accounts.

Meanwhile, in the background you will see property and other taxes rise during the entire time until the average person has to sell his home or other assets to pay the taxes.

People will leave the country in droves (if they can afford it); others will move in with friends and relatives or become homeless.

At the end of it all, people may wait too long to resist until it simply degenerates into anarchy.

There is a defense think tank known as Deagel that projects the US population will dwindle to 100 million people from our current 327 million by the year 2025. This largely due in part to mass migration OUT of the US but also as a result of the things that transpire during socioeconomic collapse; violence, pandemics, famine, et al.

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The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union's one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

[Arik]

Getting a war started in the M.E. with some nukes getting slung around, and the U. S. getting hit a couple of times, would take care of just about everything on your list.. That reminds me, I've been seeing what seems like an uptick in people getting passports at the post office lately.. maybe I should get one, while the getting is good...

New laws for domestic flights. You need a new drivers license or a passport

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[Hmac]

New laws for domestic flights. You need a new drivers license or a passport

This state continued to refuse to change driver’s licenses to be RealID compliant (the “new law” you mentioned), although I could have paid $60 and a 120 mile drive to get one that is (good for 4 years). When I renewed my passport, I just got a passport card in addition. Cost me $30, good for 10 years

[Straight Shooter]

New laws for domestic flights. You need a new drivers license or a passport

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Thank you Moose, for this info. Ive read similar predictions/forecasts, however one wishes to think of them, before. Matter of fact, DECADES ago Ive read them, where we should have already, years ago, been in these predicaments. These popped up en masse in the 90's and early-mid 2000's. I remember clearly some absolutely wack-a-doo predictions from people who are STILL out there now, saying the same things, and worse. Theyve got websites,books, video channels, appear on the propaganda networks...ALL of them are propaganda networks.. and havent been close to right yet. How they can do this with a straight face is beyond me. They are NEVER asked about being 100% wrong for 20 years or more. At SOME POINT..yeah, they are gonna be right..as a Bible believing person...Ive already been told we are in for a total shitstorm someday, and I think in MY own lifetime. If that chart is even half right- we will be in for MAD MAX situations on a daily basis.
But what I/MYSELf think & believe is, like I said earlier, at one time there were a very limited number of "players" running things worldwide, probably a handful, with fingers left over. NOW? FAR MORE players..far more "ingredients" in this worldwide mix of chaos. Too many too count. And the old crew that were in charge, aint no more. The Left has very much succeeded in a few things over the past 30-40 years: 1. Theyve got COMPLETE control over almost all media. 2. They have almost complete control of schools & education from K thru college graduation and have turned out mindless, brainwashed fools for decades. . 3. Theyve got a huge chunk of the judiciary & legal system in this country. 4. Until recently, theyve had control of our top leadership positions, and still do have a HUGE percentage across America. QUESTION: Did yall know there are TWENTY muslims running for high office in America? What happens when Michigan gets a muslim Governor? What happens when a freaking ILLEGAL ALIEN, and there are many of those running too, get elected? I tell you, when you get ahold of the media, schools and judiciary..."its over man, its over".
On my LIFE.. I believe ALL that's left to do, the LAST NOTCH on the Socialist/Commie Totem Pole that they'll have to accomplish before going much further- is the dis-armament of the American population. SOMEHOW- we held on to that, and those of you old enough to have lived thru the late seventies & eighties should remember we almost lost EVERYTHING, was a close call for several years. They MUST do this. Ive said on this forum before, in the late seventies, I read, somewhere, the entire "manifesto" of the communist party. IT SAID THEN, it would take about 50 years to accomplish their goals. Been about 40 and theyve hit a lot of them.
In closing, sorry for the length..the ONE, SINGLE fly in the pudding that set a lot of this back, was Donald Trump. And I say that as one who despised him so much prior to election..I did not vote, purposely. I WAS WRONG. It is un-believable to me..especially considering the unprecedented alliance of evil thats come against him, what he has accomplished thus far. I do firmly believe he has set back the agenda, and will do so as long as he is in office. Reagan did too. But Carter, Slick Willy, & Obama were DEFINITELY "their boys"... and Im starting to think Bush was too, somewhat. But this guy Trump- I dont believe it.
Sorry for the rant, Ill just say, I now only put my faith in ONE book, who told us to prepare for 2000 years, and HOW to prepare, and has told us "NO MAN KNOWS THE HOUR AND THE DATE". And no "man", nor person, nor group nor institute, nor political party nor network, does. So, STAY READY-SO YOU DONT HAVE TO GET READY.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

There is a defense think tank known as Deagel that projects the US population will dwindle to 100 million people from our current 327 million by the year 2025. This largely due in part to mass migration OUT of the US but also as a result of the things that transpire during socioeconomic collapse; violence, pandemics, famine, et al.

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http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

That is about as believable as the 1960s Neo-Malthusian 'thinkers' who had similar tales of woe, that were far more 'No'. It's 2018, really 2019 for planning purposes. So in 6 years, 100,000,000 Americans will leave? Over a million per month.... Colorado is BOOMING and we get 70,000 new people a year.... So you are talking two orders of magnitude, going to a country with even less infrastructure to handle people.

[SomeOtherGuy]

There is a defense think tank known as Deagel that projects the US population will dwindle to 100 million people from our current 327 million by the year 2025. This largely due in part to mass migration OUT of the US but also as a result of the things that transpire during socioeconomic collapse; violence, pandemics, famine, et al.
http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

From what I understand this is more like one or two guys with a computer model, not some kind of established "think tank" (which often aren't much more than this anyway).

GIGO for the computer types.

I wouldn't put any more stock in this than I would in a 6-month weather forecast claiming exact dates, time of day and amounts of rain.

[kerplode]

Yeah, I don't believe that either. I don't believe any of this nonsense anymore. People have been preaching collapse doom and gloom since forever and we're still clipping along just fine.

Aside from living like a crazy hoarder there is exactly jack shit one can do about this anyway, so go live your life.