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    DBAL-I2 Input

    Considering pulling the trigger on the 9007 version of the I2. This is the IR/IR version. Anyone have experience with it? This will be my first foray into the world of laser designators. How difficult is it to zero without the visible laser? Is a price of $665 a good deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamcrusher8307 View Post
    Considering pulling the trigger on the 9007 version of the I2. This is the IR/IR version. Anyone have experience with it? This will be my first foray into the world of laser designators. How difficult is it to zero without the visible laser? Is a price of $665 a good deal?
    Are you choosing the 9007 because of the IR illuminator? It's only rated to 4mW output, which is minuscule compared to a M600V Scout's 120mW.
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    My thoughts were for a simple self contained unit that will get me NV capable to 100 meters or so for HD purposes. No real plans on night hog hunting or anything like that at this point.

    I'm sure a stand-alone IR light would blow it out of the water on the illuminator side, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze on that just yet.

    I can certainly be convinced by the experience here though.

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    You can focus the illuminator on the 9007, whereas an m600v gives you a lot of spill. It kind of depends on what you want out of the illumination.

    On the visible laser DBAL-I2 units the visible and IR lasers aren't slaved, so in terms of zeroing, you have to do it with NODs either way. The A3 slaves the visible and IR lasers, so it's much easier to zero.
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    DBAL-I2 Input

    I actually just received my I2 today. My PVS-14 hasn’t come in yet so I can’t speak on it personally, but from what I’ve read, it’s one of the best illuminator/laser combos for the money. I wanted the illuminator more than the visible laser and I didn’t think it was worth $500 more dollars for the A3. I’m sure it’s much more convenient to zero with a visible laser, but I’m not worried about it.

    Slippers has a good point but I wasn’t really interested in running a vampire head because I wanted my IR and visible light to be completely separate, but that’s just me at this point in time. My opinion may change as I figure out the limitations of the I2’s illuminator.


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    I run a vampire plus an A3 (class-1) which is the same IR laser and illuminator as the model 9007. I like having a redundant system in case the DBAL goes down. I can still aim with my Eotech in NV mode and illuminate with my vampire. Also the vampire has much greater flood than the laser. I also have an Inforce WML/IR on the side of my helmet for times when I don't want to be waving a gun around to see stuff.

    First, you cannot compare a 4mw laser with a 120mw LED. They are completely different things. Would you say a 50mw PEQ-15A laser was less powerful than a 120mw vampire? No, that's crazy.

    Second, the class-1 DBAL is good enough as long as you don't need to illuminate 200 yards or more. TNVC claims the class-1 DBAL is good for "less than 200 yards" and I agree with that assessment. For comparison, the class-1 PEQ-15 is listed at "less than 150 yards" but the class-3b DBAL is listed at 2,000 yards! That's a huge difference. And inside 200 yards where the civilian DBAL is supposedly effective, the difference is astounding.

    I recently had the chance to host a night shoot on our club's 300-meter range and there were a couple of class-3b lasers there.

    Let me tell you, i felt like the guy with the shortest dick at the porn tryouts.

    Either a class-3b laser or a DBAL-A4v2 is next on my buying list.

    EDIT: By the way, get a TNVC TAPS switch, even the standard model. They are worth it, especially if you run steiner + surefire devices.

    EDIT2: My vampire came from Arisaka Defense. The good dude above.

    EDIT3: Slippers, they are going to let me host another night shoot sometime before daylight savings time returns, this time with guests. You should come!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mig1nc View Post

    First, you cannot compare a 4mw laser with a 120mw LED. They are completely different things. Would you say a 50mw PEQ-15A laser was less powerful than a 120mw vampire? No, that's crazy.

    ..........

    EDIT3: Slippers, they are going to let me host another night shoot sometime before daylight savings time returns, this time with guests. You should come!
    Yes, that's why I clarified in my second post above. If the M600V was an IR laser illuminator and could be focused, it would be insane.

    The ATPIAL-C is pretty disappointing. Even the full power version's illuminator isn't exactly stunning, in my opinion.

    Night shoot? When and where? Maybe we can find some IR tracers for the belt fed....
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    I had the same thought process as lahunter above. Having my NV stuff separate. If I was to go the vampire route, despite the risk of having a white light ND (a problem that can certainly be mitigated by training) should I forgo the illuminator and save some coin and do the OTAL-C for $350?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippers View Post
    Yes, that's why I clarified in my second post above. If the M600V was an IR laser illuminator and could be focused, it would be insane.

    The ATPIAL-C is pretty disappointing. Even the full power version's illuminator isn't exactly stunning, in my opinion.

    Night shoot? When and where? Maybe we can find some IR tracers for the belt fed....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamcrusher8307 View Post
    Considering pulling the trigger on the 9007 version of the I2. This is the IR/IR version. Anyone have experience with it? This will be my first foray into the world of laser designators. How difficult is it to zero without the visible laser? Is a price of $665 a good deal?
    It's a good laser/illuminator for the money. I purchased a lightly used one for $595 over the summer and have been overall impressed with it's performance. With that said, twice when I have gone to active it the unit has flickered and then took a couple more presses the pressure pad or button to get a solid output. It is lightweight though and the laser is pretty darn bright under nods. The IR illuminator is not impressive so be prepared to augment it with a Surefire IR light for serious use. I use a Surefire M600V (350 lumen model) with the IR laser and it works well. I zeroed my unit at dusk one evening/afternoon using one of the TNVC targets specifically designed for IR-zeroing and had a 25 yard zero within 5 rounds.

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