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“Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, ignore the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.”
In my case I'm running unsuppressed so the 9mm is a LOT more "palatable" in regards to firing inside the house. With substantial hearing loss already it's definitely a consideration, at least for me.
I did not know, but after your rhetoric, I could see the tumbling/fragmenting concept occurring when hitting a hard(er) surface such as drywall or beams with 5.56.
I was still under the impression that frangible 9MM would reduce a lot of that.
Either way, I did not apply the fragmentation concept to those ballistics analyzing and am now eating my foot.
Always humbling when encountered, thanks for clarifying where that logic is flawed.
Last edited by HeruMew; 05-29-18 at 11:57.
It's a very common misconception that's still open to debate, and of course bullet types and choices play a part in all that, but it appears the 5.56 is so light and moving so fast, it tends to fly apart on contact with hard surfaces commonly found in a house. As far as frangibles, that's a whole other topic but it's my understanding frangible 9MM are recommended by no one who studies terminal ballistics as a science as they tend to perform very poorly regardless of the claims made of "magic metalo metal hybrid bullets" and the like being marketed. For clarity of this discussion, we are talking about well known and accepted brands/designs in 9mm and or 5.56.
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“Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, ignore the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.”
In my experience, the majority of people I know, including shooters are unaware that pistol rounds are more likely to pentrate than a 5.56. They don’t understand how that is possible and ask “why”. I use the Ferrari through a brick wall vs a truck or semi through a brick wall—which loses energy faster and will travel the shortest distance after going through the wall.
ETC (SW/AW), USN (1998-2008)
CVN-65, USS Enterprise
- Will
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“Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, ignore the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.”
My example usually changes minds of those I am around since most of the people Ihave these discussions with have heavy engineering and physics backgrounds, so they pick up the physics of it. Just not something that on the surface is intuitive. Specialty rounds are obviously the exception.
ETC (SW/AW), USN (1998-2008)
CVN-65, USS Enterprise
Thanks for the breakdown;
I had forgotten about that piece of physics when it comes to terminal ballistics.
It's a weird world of science, just glad we are able to discuss it openly and give some corrections. I can assure you, the concept isn't lost on me, I was just applying bad logic to the analytical piece of my mind on this topic.
Nonetheless, I also wasn't aware that frangible ammo was regard with some ilk. I suppose that's why I have only ever seen them, primarily, used in shoot houses.
I have used both for real, they both work. However your chance of success in the shortest period of time will always be on the side of the 5.56. Have both calibers had the proverbial 1 shot stop of course. But a rifle round is just so much more powerful and destructive on humans'.
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Last edited by MegademiC; 05-29-18 at 13:44.
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