Army looking at 10 Commercial Sub guns...

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

https://www.military.com/kitup/2018/...e-testing.html

Beretta USA Corporation for PMX subcompact weapon. Amount: $16,000.
Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC for CM9MM-9H-M5A, Colt Modular 9mm subcompact weapon. Amount: $22,000.
CMMG Inc. for Ultra PDW subcompact weapon. Amount: $8,500.
CZ-USA for Scorpion EVO 3 A1 submachine gun. Amount: $14,490.
Lewis Machine & Tool Company for MARS-L9 compact suppressed weapon. Amount: $21,900.
PTR Industries Inc. for PTR 9CS subcompact weapon. Amount: $12,060.
Quarter Circle 10 LLC 5.5 CLT and 5.5 QV5 subcompact weapons. Amount: $24,070.
Sig Sauer Inc. for MPX subcompact weapon. Amount: $20,160.
Trident Rifles LLC for B&T MP9 machine gun. Amount: $36,000.
Zenith Firearms for Z-5RS, Z-5P and Z-5K subcompact weapons. Amount: $39,060.

An MP-5 clone? This seems like more of a way to turn some 9mm ammo in spent brass for the hell of it.

Knights 6mm PDW OR DEATH!!!!

[MountainRaven]

Two MP5 clones.

And no MP5s.

Seems odd. Particularly since H&K MP5s (and MP5Ks) have been in US military inventories for... a while.

[SteyrAUG]

Why in the Blue F would we buy a Turkish contract MP5 when factory German ones are available for damn near the same price? Unless it's just a way to bring an end to semi auto imports for US shooters because now they have a military contract.

From that list the only ones I'd consider are the Colt, SIG, B&T or the EVO. The Colt would make the most sense IF you weren't going with a factory MP5 for some reason that I can't even begin to understand. And why they aren't looking at the Knights PDW is even more baffling.

Maybe H&K is getting serious about discontinuing the MP5 series and the Army just isn't interested in the UMP or MP7. And in that case, Hans and Franz need to get back into the R&D stuff pronto to bring us the next generation SMG because the UMP was nice, but wasn't quite it and the MP7 is way too special use as a general purpose SMG.

Wouldn't it be nice if HK could marry the roller lock bolt of the MP5 with a new polymer platform available in both .45 and 9mm but in a package the size of the MP5 or better. Kind of like how they married Browning and Walther features for the ground breaking USP handgun series.

But honestly, given the limited use and need of a SMG anyway, the whole idea of searching for a new one is kinda bizarre, especially given some of the candidates. Somewhere Todd Bailey is looking at this list and his blood pressure is spiking hard.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

This sounds like some Colonel's send off present before retirement.

Just read the Rifleman's article on the MP5 , they state that HK says that the recent MP5 tweaks are a mid-life improvement....

At least get the PSA MP5 clone in there for some real testing.

I agree on the modernized MP5. Something better on the mag swap and safety. I guess you'd have to get rid of the slap-charge feature.

Hey, I'd love to run a 3 gunish match with a new MP5 and a new double stack P7...

Article with more pictures.

https://www.range365.com/contenders-...ine-gun#page-4

[Rogue556]

Surprised the B&T APC9 wasn't included but the MP9 was. Definitely an odd list..

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[soulezoo]

I say bring back the grease gun...

[sgtrock82]

Dafuq for? More wasted money.

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[RetroRevolver77]

I don't see a reason to adopt an AR type subgun when it would lack the only attribute a subgun truly has- which is being compact. An MP5 type is way to outdated. The CZ isn't what I would consider a serious use weapon. Maybe something new like the B&T if they are halfway serious about a modernizing the military. Eventually the whole military will be fielding HK 416 types anyway, so it would make sense to update to a more modern design in ancillary weapons now rather than later.

[Jer]

I don't see a reason to adopt an AR type subgun when it would lack the only attribute a subgun truly has- which is being compact. An MP5 type is way to outdated. The CZ isn't what I would consider a serious use weapon. Maybe something new like the B&T if they are halfway serious about a modernizing the military. Eventually the whole military will be fielding HK 416 types anyway, so it would make sense to update to a more modern design in ancillary weapons now rather than later.

Curious why you say that. Long term reliability unknowns or have you personally experienced short term reliability issues?

[MountainRaven]

The MP5 is hardly out-dated.

And I'd bet the KAC PDW isn't in the running because it isn't in 9mm.