Hysteria on the Southern Border.

[The_War_Wagon]

Bullshit, incarcerate/detain them all together. Then they can all (kids included) get shipped back together. Gee, that gave me a warm fuzzy just thinking about it.

Southbound buses with WHOLE families - departing every five minutes!

OR catapults - I'm NOT particular...

[26 Inf]

I don't know where you're from.....

He's from a happy place where the only facts that count are the facts that support his view of reality.

A place where when someone asks 'Did you know of 7n6?' the answer will be 'Yes, I did. Some folks say he's dead, some folks say he never will be.'

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

B
The truth is, all great nations were built on the backs of slaves, and when they no longer existed, very poor migrant workers who were/are damn close to slaves.

It is actually a bit more complex than that. It isn't the great nations are built on slaves. Slaves are horrible and inefficient workers. That they are 'free' and a sunk cost are all that keeps them in use. The real use isn't in building the country, or even keeping it going, it is that they enable the life style of the actual workers creating (the real key) and managing complex, value-added functions. Cheap illegal labor from south of the border didn't make the US in the last 50 years, but it made living in a bigger house and let more educated women into the workplace. The US was built on slave labor? Please. What made America a world power wasn't cotton or anything made in the South. The Cotton gin wasn't invented by a slave. What made America the pre-eminent 20th century power was the northern industrialization and the idea economy that followed the Civil War- of which the internet is just the latest iteration. What has transformed our economy, cheap Mexican labor.

I don't disagree with your general premise- the greatest empires had the largest deltas from top to bottom - and that leads to the greatest advances and the best overall living conditions for all. That is until greed and jealousy raise their heads and it is too late before people realize that by taking down the top, the whole engine that drives gains for all dies.

Don't buy into the myth about slaves driving great economic advances.

[AKDoug]

It is actually a bit more complex than that. It isn't the great nations are built on slaves. Slaves are horrible and inefficient workers. That they are 'free' and a sunk cost are all that keeps them in use. The real use isn't in building the country, or even keeping it going, it is that they enable the life style of the actual workers creating (the real key) and managing complex, value-added functions. Cheap illegal labor from south of the border didn't make the US in the last 50 years, but it made living in a bigger house and let more educated women into the workplace. The US was built on slave labor? Please. What made America a world power wasn't cotton or anything made in the South. The Cotton gin wasn't invented by a slave. What made America the pre-eminent 20th century power was the northern industrialization and the idea economy that followed the Civil War- of which the internet is just the latest iteration. What has transformed our economy, cheap Mexican labor.

I don't disagree with your general premise- the greatest empires had the largest deltas from top to bottom - and that leads to the greatest advances and the best overall living conditions for all. That is until greed and jealousy raise their heads and it is too late before people realize that by taking down the top, the whole engine that drives gains for all dies.

Don't buy into the myth about slaves driving great economic advances.

There is no doubt that indentured servants and cheap foreign labor enabled this country to expand rapidly in the late 1800's. Those railroads weren't built by union labor. Sure, the Irish and the Chinese weren't slaves in the pure sense of the word, but they sure didn't have it good either.

[Averageman]

If you want to place some blame there is a lot to go around.
I've however often wondered how Mexico had such a restrictive policy when it comes to illegal border crossings in to their country, yet have no issue following near lemming like masses of immigrants right up to our border to cross.
I have this feeling, if you wanted to stop it, the key might be pressuring Mexico to get on board.
Perhaps this might be a better direction to pursue than continuing with the failures we are having?

[Business_Casual]

There is no doubt that indentured servants and cheap foreign labor enabled this country to expand rapidly in the late 1800's. Those railroads weren't built by union labor. Sure, the Irish and the Chinese weren't slaves in the pure sense of the word, but they sure didn't have it good either.

What alternative life style choices did they have? This is similar to the “child labor” canard about the third world. The alternative to working in a factory and eating and sleeping indoors is squatting by a river bank hoping whatever those eyes belong to isn’t a crocodile. Context is key. Being an unemployed peasant in rural China in 1875 wasn’t an idyllic pastoral existence.

Why did they come here? Why do they continue to come here? Because the alternative is worse. Simple math.

[Moose-Knuckle]

The Dems smell blood now and will be back with even more demands " because it's for the
children ", the Dems don't give a shit about these people any more than I do.
They are a commodity to be ratcheted up in the media for the highest return they can get.
The Dems want catch and release to be the unenforced law of the land.
Stupid Americans don't seem to understand that these people are here to replace them and
their children.
There are 8 steps to Genocide and we are on #6 now.
Wake the **** up, we are the one's they want under the lime.

Now that is third rail, we can't talk about it otherwise you are a Nazi blah-blah-blah....


Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan / Cultural Marxism in full effect.

I don't know where you're from, but in my grandfather's California and my other grandfather's Washington.. the produce and fruit was primarily picked by Mexican migrant workers. My grandparents didn't grow shit, they bought it at road-side stands and the grocery store.

I don't know how old your grandparents are/were but when mine were young there was a critically acclaimed author named John Steinbeck who wrote of the accounts of White produce pickers and their plight.

One of my grandfathers grew up on a farm in Iowa where they grew crops, mostly grains and they didn't have any Mexican migrant labor back then. Neither did my other grandfather who grew up a sharecropper in Arkansas.

[austinN4]

What alternative life style choices did they have? This is similar to the “child labor” canard about the third world. The alternative to working in a factory and eating and sleeping indoors is squatting by a river bank hoping whatever those eyes belong to isn’t a crocodile. Context is key. Being an unemployed peasant in rural China in 1875 wasn’t an idyllic pastoral existence.

Why did they come here? Why do they continue to come here? Because the alternative is worse. Simple math.

I started to post something similar then saw that you already did. So I'll just say ditto.

[grnamin]

I believe you're correct, burdening the system with even more people at this point only hastens the end of capitalism.
They don't even need to be brought in to the country as a citizen or to receive a green card. Simply catching them, housing them, processing them, DNA testing them, returning them to their country of origin is a huge burden on the system.

Every nickle we this is very likely money we are borrowing.

This was written in 2014:

"Back in the Sixties, Marxists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven came up with a great strategy for overloading and collapsing democratic welfare states, paving the way for socialist tyranny. *Basically, the idea was to hit the system with a tidal wave of demands it couldn’t refuse, and couldn’t possibly fulfill. *The Left would then insist that the moral argument for the system remained intact, so the only way to meet those impossible demands was to scrap every vestige of Constitutional restraint and republican self-government, instituting a totalitarian system that*in theory*would forcibly restructure society to promote “fairness” and give all those government dependents what they “deserve.” *(In practice, of course, what you*actually*get is an iron-fisted dictatorship that cooks up reports to make itself look good, or simply tells the unhappy citizens to shut up and obey when things deteriorate to the point that no volume of phony reports can paper over the problems – say, when the glorious worker’s paradise of Venezuela runs out of tap water)."

From:
http://humanevents.com/2014/06/09/cl...at-the-border/

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[The_War_Wagon]

We have PLENTY of slave labor just WAITING to happen in America; Anqueefa, Pajama boys, Dindunuffins, democraps, baristas with Masters & Ph.D's, Hollyweirdoes, et.al. - all just sitting around, collecting gummint checks, and practically BEGGING to be yoked together, digging a ditch somewhere, in Trump's new WPA.

The sooner we catapult the ILLEGAL FOREIGN INVADERS (and their children...) over the river, the sooner we can put our own "indigent class" to work, building the Great Wall of 'MURICA!!!