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    Vickers Sling on Shotgun

    I'm about to buy a sling for a SBS Remington 870. I'm leaning towards a Vicker's Tactical sling but don't know how to attach the sling to the stock. I'm not looking for a receiver plate but someway to put the sling on the back of the stock. Any ideas?
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    I have this one on my 870.

    http://www.optactical.com/vitabuadform.html

    Few bucks cheaper. Doesn't shift at all. Looks like it sits a little further down than the BFG version which may be good if you have the sling mount point on the under side of your stock like mine. Adapter sits past it and stops any rearward play.

    Edit. On further inspection, I notice that BFG make a weapon specific 870 model, so may be better just to get that one if you're ordering the sling from there too.
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    I run a VCAS on my duty 870 and I have the answer,,, but im busy at work... Give me a day or 2 and ill post some pics...

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    I just use the standard end cap swivel and fix the stock end to the "pistol grip" section of the standard stock. You can use some 550 cord or the AK stock adapter that BFG sells.

    I had the GG&G receiver end plate and the end cap swivel plate I took them off because the rear one got in the way of grip, especially off side and run your support hand thumb into the end cap end plate once, and you'll see.

    My opinion anyhow.

    The DD end plate
    http://www.blueforcegear.com/product...d=5&prod_id=71

    This is an option as posted above
    http://www.blueforcegear.com/product...d=5&prod_id=87

    or they one I spoke of--but I had some stock and went to the shoe shop-two looped ends, no hardware
    http://www.blueforcegear.com/product...d=5&prod_id=75
    http://www.blueforcegear.com/product...d=5&prod_id=74
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    Hey, Buck, I have a sheriff over here with the padded VCAS and an 870. I'd be anxious to see what you have come up with. He's a southpaw and I'm working on something that may improve the sling positioning.
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    Once I get a proper buttstock for my Police Magnum (mine currently wears a Remington top-folder) I'm going to have the stock milled out and a sling bar added ala the M1 Carbine (except the bar will be fixed). For it to work with a lefty configuration you can reverse the side of the taper cut (or add an equal cut to both and have the bar in the middle).

    Maybe I should file a patent......

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Hearne View Post
    I'm about to buy a sling for a SBS Remington 870. I'm leaning towards a Vicker's Tactical sling but don't know how to attach the sling to the stock. I'm not looking for a receiver plate but someway to put the sling on the back of the stock. Any ideas?
    John...However you mount it to the rear of the stock you want to make sure it is at the top of the stock so the gun doesn't flip upside down.

    I'd really look at mounting the rear of the sling at the receiver using a H-Hook adaptor, or if you can find one, a QD receiver adaptor. The Vickers sling really performs well with the receiver mount at the rear and the forward mount off your Mag tube slot....given you have a Vang Mag tube extension.

    Call Grant at G&R Tactical to discuss the various configurations you can get as far as the Vickers sling mounts. Theyare varied.

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    Remington 11-87 Police

    I have the Blue Force Gear Victory Series 2 point on my M4 and love it. However, if I mount it on my 11-87, the gun kind of hangs upside down. I have a bottom sling loop on the magazine extension and the factory bottom sling stud on the stock.

    Would I be better off attaching the sling to the receiver with something like the Daniel Defense Burnsed Loop? Or, should I consider a 1 point sling attached at the receiever? Would you recommend a different sling for my shotgun, other than the Victory Series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta1067 View Post
    I have the Blue Force Gear Victory Series 2 point on my M4 and love it. However, if I mount it on my 11-87, the gun kind of hangs upside down. I have a bottom sling loop on the magazine extension and the factory bottom sling stud on the stock.

    Would I be better off attaching the sling to the receiver with something like the Daniel Defense Burnsed Loop? Or, should I consider a 1 point sling attached at the receiever? Would you recommend a different sling for my shotgun, other than the Victory Series?
    There is only 1 way to have the gun lay across your body without being upside down. The connections have to be on the inside of the gun, or atleast above the center axis point so the gun "Hangs" from top to bottom and not upside down.

    A. Your front portion needs to be in a "VANG Type" mag tube side sling loop that you can place on the inside or outside (right or left on the gun) You want it on the left if you're a "Rightie".

    B. The rear needs to be on the inside via a Burnsed loop, or O Ring for an H
    K type hook at the receiver on the inside. OR....there are nylon adaptors that go ont the end of the Butt that positions the sling loop at the top inside portion of the gun. Both work.

    Stud, or swivels on the bottom will not work!

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    Wow... I completely lost track of this thread.... Sorry for the delay in responding....

    Here is what I have found that seems to work the best...

    Start with a Speedfeed stock without the internal magazine... I personally like the one with the pistol grip in youth length (13 inch LOP)...



    Next purchased a uncle mike's (or equivalent) 1 1/4" non QD swivel with a machine screw base...Remove the recoil pad and drill a hole in the top of the stock (12 o'clock position) directly above the factory hole (6 o'clock position)... Install the non QD swivel here and lock tight the machine screw nut in place... This swivel will rotate 360 degrees and will work for both right and wrong handers...

    The result is the same modification that the Commonwealth forces have done to all of their SMGs since WW2, to include the Thompson, MK5 Sten, Owens and the like...



    I have tried several different systems over the years and this one in the cleanest and really does work the best....

    B

    P.S. Whilst you are in there, you may want to replace the pot metal washer that came with your stock and is prone to becoming a soup bowl, with a few quality steel washers from your local hardware store... I find using a split metal locking washer sandwiched between two quality steel washers makes for a rock solid stock that will not become loose under recoil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Whilst you are in there, you may want to replace the pot metal washer that came with your stock and is prone to becoming a soup bowl, with a few quality steel washers from your local hardware store... I find using a split metal locking washer sandwiched between two quality steel washers makes for a rock solid stock that will not become loose under recoil...
    Yes! Emphasis on quality, i.e. non-Chinese, steel washers. Save the fuel and don't bother going to Lowe's or Home Depot. You might also consider replacing the bolt that came with your stock whilst you're at it.

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    Is anyone having issues using a high ready position and a Vickers sling on a shotgun? I ended up purchasing the generic adapter for fixed stocks. I'm finding that the sling occassionally bunches and interferes with mounting the rifle from a high ready postion. Any ideas?

    "Buck" on your setup, is the swivel far enough back that interference with the cheek is a non-issue?
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    John,

    I also have some options for you to consider....working on photos right now of 870 sling options for you along with photos of a short-stock (<13") modification for the 870.

    I'll get some posted tonight!

    Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Hearne View Post
    Is anyone having issues using a high ready position and a Vickers sling on a shotgun? I ended up purchasing the generic adapter for fixed stocks. I'm finding that the sling occassionally bunches and interferes with mounting the rifle from a high ready postion. Any ideas?

    "Buck" on your setup, is the swivel far enough back that interference with the cheek is a non-issue?
    Positioning the swivel here will fix the bunching issue, the swivel will be able to rotate 360, and the interference with the sling between the stock and your cheek also becomes an non-issue... It really is the best solution I have found...

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    flush cup option

    Sling mounting options for the 870 (that I’ve tried)

    Option 1: Using swivels with factory stud secured to bottom of stock.





    I tried this option with a BFG Vickers sling using a swivel – did not work for me at all. With the shotgun slung and draping, the firearm did not rest comfortably with the side of the receiver against my chest as the attachment point of the sling pulled the stock and the weight of the receiver pulled and rotated the stock. This was more pronounced with the standard stock, which made acquiring a quick firing grip an act of contortion at the wrist. The pistol gripped Speedfeed IVs prevented this rotation somewhat, but was uncomfortable as the hardware was quite bulky.

    Note, the Speedfeed IVs is a reduced 13” LOP stock. The pistol grip was modified by me to remove the 2x4 feel of the stock grip, and re-stippled. The stock shown below the IVs is a 14” take-off stock (looks like a speedfeed as well) from an 870P.



    Option 2: Receiver (rear) attachment point – can’t find the photo I just took.

    Burnsed 870 sling loop

    While this may be the only viable solution for a single point sling (which I never liked), using this loop for the rear attachment for the Vicker’s sling did not work well for me either. I found the sling too close to receiver when it came to performing any manipulation around the trigger, side saddle and loading port. Also, when slung, I found the stock moved too much. Nevertheless, many people find this works for them, and is a popular point of attachment for slings on an AR.



    Option 3: Buttstock adapter



    The one pictured above came with a Wilderness 3-point Giles Sling. Because it is secured (to prevent rotation and movement) using the swivel stud, these are made to fit items, as each stock brand/model/LOP may place the stud at a different distance from the pad, as well as having different dimensions. The stock pictured is a Speedfeed IVs with a 13” LOP that came with a Remington 870 pmax. When I ordered the sling a while back, they only had the adapter that fit the standard 14” LOP stock. I actually had to send my stock in for them to prototype an adapter to fit the 13” LOP stocks.

    Specter Gear makes a buttstock shell holder (http://www.spectergear.com/shotgun_bsh.htm) that also includes a sling loop. If you don’t need the shell holders, you can actually remove that portion, and use just the nylon straps and sling loop. Because it is not secured with the stock’s swivel stud, there is some bulk associated with the setup as you need both the fore and aft straps to ensure the loop doesn’t move around too much.

    For me, the take home lesson was that a sling secured to the side of the stock worked the best. Kept the stock close to the torso, limited excess movement and rested comfortably. The only issue I could think of was the inability to quickly remove the sling at the rear attachment point w/o the use of fastex buckles, and the custom nature of these adapters when using different stocks. As for the sling, I quickly gave up on the 3-point, but kept this adapter for securing the Vicker’s sling.



    Option 4: Custom QD swivel stud and flush cup (current setup)





    I’ll get into the details on a how-to in another separate post, but this solution came about out of necessity, as my plans for a reduced LOP 12.5” standard stock required something truly custom. Having QD swivels secured in various adaptors and cups on my rifles, I figured why not on a shotty? Surely it would make for quick removal, be secure, swivel to accommodate various positions and look sleek and clean.

    Well, just finished this project up this weekend and it works! While I would have liked the cup more along the center-line of the side of the stock, the tunnel used for the bolt that secures the stock to the receiver limited placement options. This is the same heavy duty flush cup used by McMillan in their custom stocks, made in the USA by Grovtec. Add to that a HD QD swivel, and the sling is going nowhere.

    In terms of comfort, there is no issue or interference when mounting or with the shotgun mounted. Like the side-mounted sling on the buttstock adapter, the shotgun sits securely and rests comfortably on the chest.

    With the Fastex buckle up front and the QD swivel at the rear, the sling can be removed easily…

    …HOWEVER….WARNING…BIG WARNING…



    Using a shotgun in this manner MAY cause a failure to chamber a shell, prevent the closing of the action and ultimately rendering the shotgun useless if the fastex buckle happens to rest along the magazine tube and block the forward movement of the fore end, as seen in the picture above.

    I guess the take home message here is that if you do have a similar setup and have the sling removed, you must secure that buckle (probably around the extension, to prevent it from swinging back into the path of the fore end. I have tried removing all slack in the webbing that attaches the buckle to the sling loop, but still can move the buckle to the rear and block the action from closing completely. For now, I don’t plan on removing the sling when in use. Just thought I’d share this finding with you.




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    That's a sweet rear mount system FFD. I recently put this rear swivel on my 870 SBS. It comes with a slotted screw that goes right through the center. A guy gave me several of them at a shop I go by occasionally. I think your side mount method is more flexible though. I need to pick up and extra stock and give it a try.



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    Quote Originally Posted by flyfishdave View Post
    Sling mounting options for the 870 (that I’ve tried)

    Option 1: Using swivels with factory stud secured to bottom of stock.





    I tried this option with a BFG Vickers sling using a swivel – did not work for me at all. With the shotgun slung and draping, the firearm did not rest comfortably with the side of the receiver against my chest as the attachment point of the sling pulled the stock and the weight of the receiver pulled and rotated the stock. This was more pronounced with the standard stock, which made acquiring a quick firing grip an act of contortion at the wrist. The pistol gripped Speedfeed IVs prevented this rotation somewhat, but was uncomfortable as the hardware was quite bulky.

    Note, the Speedfeed IVs is a reduced 13” LOP stock. The pistol grip was modified by me to remove the 2x4 feel of the stock grip, and re-stippled. The stock shown below the IVs is a 14” take-off stock (looks like a speedfeed as well) from an 870P.



    Option 2: Receiver (rear) attachment point – can’t find the photo I just took.

    Burnsed 870 sling loop

    While this may be the only viable solution for a single point sling (which I never liked), using this loop for the rear attachment for the Vicker’s sling did not work well for me either. I found the sling too close to receiver when it came to performing any manipulation around the trigger, side saddle and loading port. Also, when slung, I found the stock moved too much. Nevertheless, many people find this works for them, and is a popular point of attachment for slings on an AR.



    Option 3: Buttstock adapter



    The one pictured above came with a Wilderness 3-point Giles Sling. Because it is secured (to prevent rotation and movement) using the swivel stud, these are made to fit items, as each stock brand/model/LOP may place the stud at a different distance from the pad, as well as having different dimensions. The stock pictured is a Speedfeed IVs with a 13” LOP that came with a Remington 870 pmax. When I ordered the sling a while back, they only had the adapter that fit the standard 14” LOP stock. I actually had to send my stock in for them to prototype an adapter to fit the 13” LOP stocks.

    Specter Gear makes a buttstock shell holder (http://www.spectergear.com/shotgun_bsh.htm) that also includes a sling loop. If you don’t need the shell holders, you can actually remove that portion, and use just the nylon straps and sling loop. Because it is not secured with the stock’s swivel stud, there is some bulk associated with the setup as you need both the fore and aft straps to ensure the loop doesn’t move around too much.

    For me, the take home lesson was that a sling secured to the side of the stock worked the best. Kept the stock close to the torso, limited excess movement and rested comfortably. The only issue I could think of was the inability to quickly remove the sling at the rear attachment point w/o the use of fastex buckles, and the custom nature of these adapters when using different stocks. As for the sling, I quickly gave up on the 3-point, but kept this adapter for securing the Vicker’s sling.



    Option 4: Custom QD swivel stud and flush cup (current setup)





    I’ll get into the details on a how-to in another separate post, but this solution came about out of necessity, as my plans for a reduced LOP 12.5” standard stock required something truly custom. Having QD swivels secured in various adaptors and cups on my rifles, I figured why not on a shotty? Surely it would make for quick removal, be secure, swivel to accommodate various positions and look sleek and clean.

    Well, just finished this project up this weekend and it works! While I would have liked the cup more along the center-line of the side of the stock, the tunnel used for the bolt that secures the stock to the receiver limited placement options. This is the same heavy duty flush cup used by McMillan in their custom stocks, made in the USA by Grovtec. Add to that a HD QD swivel, and the sling is going nowhere.

    In terms of comfort, there is no issue or interference when mounting or with the shotgun mounted. Like the side-mounted sling on the buttstock adapter, the shotgun sits securely and rests comfortably on the chest.

    With the Fastex buckle up front and the QD swivel at the rear, the sling can be removed easily…

    …HOWEVER….WARNING…BIG WARNING…



    Using a shotgun in this manner MAY cause a failure to chamber a shell, prevent the closing of the action and ultimately rendering the shotgun useless if the fastex buckle happens to rest along the magazine tube and block the forward movement of the fore end, as seen in the picture above.

    I guess the take home message here is that if you do have a similar setup and have the sling removed, you must secure that buckle (probably around the extension, to prevent it from swinging back into the path of the fore end. I have tried removing all slack in the webbing that attaches the buckle to the sling loop, but still can move the buckle to the rear and block the action from closing completely. For now, I don’t plan on removing the sling when in use. Just thought I’d share this finding with you.




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    Those are the factory dummies from Remington. They give them away as part of the Armorer's course. IIRC, they are available for purchase as well.
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    Any chance youve done a write up on the rear swivel installation? I have been unable to find the GroveTec swivel, but did find a comparable item from Uncle Mikes, wonder if that would be adequate?

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