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Apples and oranges but I’ve had good luck with the ranger t in 230gr 45acp. Killed a couple cows with them, they did the job and expanded well. They even had the talons like the black talons of old. These are the tan boxes though. I’ve had some of the newer bonded Winchester sd ammo and wasn’t as impressed. I started loading my own with gold dots.
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Last edited by ubet; 03-15-21 at 23:18.
My department recently switched our 9mm duty ammo to the Ranger One. The One is basically the 147 grain bonded ammo that has a blue polymer insert in the cavity that's supposed to prevent plugging. Similar to the concept of the Hornady Critical Duty.
I dont believe we have had any shootings with it yet but I guess it performed pretty well in the testing.
When I asked about it on some LE type pages I was told that it's too new to have any real street data yet, but that the 147 Ranger T that it is based on has a proven track record.
C co 1/30th Infantry Regiment
3rd Brigade 3rd Infantry Division
2002-2006
OIF 1 and 3
IraqGunz:
No dude is going to get shot in the chest at 300 yards and look down and say "What is that, a 3 MOA group?"
The talons introduced "cutting" as a mechanism into the wounding process instead of just crushing.
I'm a fan of HST but would carry Ranger T with no issues. +p+ and 127 aren't my thing
147 standard HST is easier to shoot, easier on gun, better through intermediates
just find a load you can always get more of and is 200 rds+ reliable in your specific gun
Thought Id throw some chrono info up for yall, in case anyone cares. Winchester Ranger 127 +P+.
G17..10 round average:1268fps with 18fps SD.
G19...10 round average 1236 with 18fps SD.
Accuracy was excellent out to 25 yards I tested. Recoil was not at all much more noticeable.
Last edited by Straight Shooter; 05-14-21 at 20:15.
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You're talking about the 127gr +P+ right? Those can't be 147gr numbers.
I've watched a few videos testing the 147gr Ranger T's out of different barrel lengths. I personally didn't have much luck with the 127gr +P+ when I tested it, but apparently others have had issues with that load also as far as reliable expansion is concerned. Most 147gr loads, no matter what manufacturer, seem to have more leeway for barrel length changes than lighter 9mm loads; this carries across calibers (heavy-for-caliber rounds have less velocity loss when going to shorter barrels) as a general rule. However, from the couple of videos I saw it appears that the Ranger T 147gr also suffers from that performance deficit when fired from shorter barrels. Keep in mind that the velocity loss in a subsonic is not much when shot from a 4" or a 3" barrel. It appears that the Ranger T's are susceptible to even a little loss of speed. Just throwing these numbers out there from memory, but a 4" will yield ~ 950fps while a 3" (or 3.1", I don't remember exactly) was running at about 920fps or thereabouts. The expansion difference in the same test with different barrel lengths in gel was considerable, given the minor reduction in velocity. Therefore I will keep the 147gr Ranger T's for guns with 4" tubes (or the Scorpion with a 7.75" barrel) and HST 147gr for the more compact CCW pistols. HST 147's have consistently performed well in my own test as well as other videos I've seen no matter the barrel length.
Bottom line? I think the Ranger T's are designed to perform in a very tight window of velocity; HST seems to be more flexible.
Last edited by ABNAK; 05-14-21 at 19:49.
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Airborne Infantry
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As stated in another thread leave the 127gr +P+ to the subguns. The rest of the Ranger-T bullets are good performers. Unfortunately Id put Winchester QC behind Federal/ATK/Speer, I have a Ranger-T with a backwards primer in a drawer somewhere to prove it...
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