Tulsi Gabbard Took the red pill

[jsbhike]

I vacillate between thinking he had a legit change of positions to his being the biggest grifter of all time. However, I knew regardless he didn't "get it" when he said those astounding words, for which again, mass MAGA disillusionment he got a pass apparently:

Nothing new or unique to Trump.

In Bush's first run I was told we needed to vote him in to nix the 94 semi auto ban. When I mentioned the Bush support for renewal I was told I was mistaken. When I brought up the Bush 2020 website with renewal support clearly stated I was assured the site had been hacked.

I also know a Baptist church deacon who's actual faith is Democrat based on claiming abortion clinics were an an emergency room for when the mothers life was in danger because his actual god(Bill Clinton at the time) supported it.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Why didn't most people apply that to Trump then? Yet, apparently millions either (1) unaware dude flip flopped on most major issues and changed parties like underwear or (2) were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he told them all what they wanted to hear.

Trump voters gave the benefit of the doubt to Trump to prove himself in elected office. Trump overwhelming proved himself worthy of that benefit of doubt. Tulsi has already had that opportunity to prove herself in office. No Thanks.

Tulsi is just like other liberals, she criticizes others for what she does herself. Much of her ranting is about global elitists and American sovereignty. No where is this more exemplified than the Paris Climate Agreement. When Trump pulled us out, Tulsi denounced Trump and voted to block him from withdrawing. While both Trump and Tulsi were in office, Tulsi proved to be against Trump on most everything. IIRC, I think FiveThityEight had it around 80%. So... Trump supporters are now hypocrites if they don't believe a liberal who has demonstrated to be overwhelmingly against Trump? C'mon...

Photo-op of Tulsi with an AR reminded me of this.


Got me a huntin' license...

[jsbhike]

Photo-op of Tulsi with an AR reminded me of this.


Got me a huntin' license...

The O/U shotgun is the weapon of choice for deceitful political ads.

[SteyrAUG]

Nothing new or unique to Trump.

In Bush's first run I was told we needed to vote him in to nix the 94 semi auto ban. When I mentioned the Bush support for renewal I was told I was mistaken. When I brought up the Bush 2020 website with renewal support clearly stated I was assured the site had been hacked.

And than after that I was told it was a ploy (because 3D chess wasn't a thing yet) and Bush knew it would never get to his desk so there was no danger in saying he'd sign it.

In REALITY, just months before the sunset, a industry protection bill sponsored by Larry Craig, had the renewal of the assault weapon ban successfully amended to it with a Republican majority house and senate. All it had to do was go to Bush (43)'s desk and nobody would have a LE6920. Thankfully at that point, Larry Craig killed his own bill rather than see it go forward with a poison pill.

This would be the same Larry Craig that later got busted trolling airport men's rooms hoping for a hookup.

So everyone who owns an M4, or anything with a flash hider, bayo lug, pistol grip, adjustable stock platform should say a small "thank you" to be most important person in the LGBTXYZ community who decided our freedoms were more important than his political standing that day.

Because nobody remembers any of this stuff. But I remember watching it go down live on CSPAN and screaming **** YOU at the television while these traitorous ****ers tried to make it happen. And I have zero doubts that the same president who signed the patriot act would have signed the renewal of the assault weapon ban.

[WillBrink]

Trump voters gave the benefit of the doubt to Trump to prove himself in elected office. Trump overwhelming proved himself worthy of that benefit of doubt. Tulsi has already had that opportunity to prove herself in office. No Thanks.

Tulsi is just like other liberals, she criticizes others for what she does herself. Much of her ranting is about global elitists and American sovereignty. No where is this more exemplified than the Paris Climate Agreement. When Trump pulled us out, Tulsi denounced Trump and voted to block him from withdrawing. While both Trump and Tulsi were in office, Tulsi proved to be against Trump on most everything. IIRC, I think FiveThityEight had it around 80%. So... Trump supporters are now hypocrites if they don't believe a liberal who has demonstrated to be overwhelmingly against Trump? C'mon...

Photo-op of Tulsi with an AR reminded me of this.


Got me a huntin' license...

That is a distinction without meaning for me, and when it came to 2A, he most certainly did not. He caved the second the pressure to "do something" came in post events, and anyone willing to utter the statement while POTUS "take the guns first and worry about due process later" is not to be trusted. He's no friend of 2A, never has been, I'd trust her change of position on that one over his (as he never had one apparently...) on that topic.

On other topics, that's another issue and we'd have to go down the line as to all that, and I suspect she'd end not being a conservatives wet dream as he pretended to be. I think she's typical of some Dems which come in two forms*, which to say naive and her background and upbringing (per her vid) was one of no guns, guns bad, etc etc. That she (may) have worked her way out of that nonsense, (and she's always claimed to support 2A where as many Dems flatly don't these days) still went against her party and loons there in.

What I like about her and always have is, she's capable of learning, and seemingly, capable of altering positions on learning.

This may seem like a out of the blue flip for some here, but it's not if you have been tracking her as I have. I have seen the slow and steady change in her positions while a Dem, and even posted on her Twitter feed she was sounding a lot like a Libertarian and or GOP and was clearly in the wrong party.

It's been a gradual transition, a "red pill moment" and now we are here. Or, she's like Trump and the rest, a full of chit grifter saying what she thinks her base wants to hear. We shall see!

* form 1, well meaning but naive as F and more the classic Lib, and form 2, a worthless loon zealot Marxists trying to take over the US and taken over the Dem party. She being the former, like a lot of classic Libs, decided to separate herself from the party and took the red pill on some issues.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Trump and bump stocks was a rather unique situation, as the NRA published a letter urging the Trump admin to regulate bump stocks like machine guns. Did the NRA write a letter urging Tulsi to support banning so-called assault rifles and all her other anti-2A positions?

Trump was a president that defaulted to the NRA. Tulsi has proven to be anti-gun all during her time holding elected office.

[WillBrink]

Trump and bump stocks was a rather unique situation, as the NRA published a letter urging the Trump admin to regulate bump stocks like machine guns. Did the NRA write a letter urging Tulsi to support banning so-called assault rifles?

Every situation is unique and if hearing those words from the mouth of sitting POTUS I posted above does not freak you out, nothing will. Had Obama, Tulsi, etc said those words, we'd have all lost our minds, and rightly so. Yes, he had a habit of saying stupid things without thinking it through, and actually did a good job on some major areas of importance, but fact remains, this smacks of double standards as to what Trump gets a pass for, as Reagan got a pass for, for which I will give no one/equal benefit of the doubt for if I think the person is not a total zealot loon, be they far right or left.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

That is a distinction without meaning for me, and when it came to 2A, he most certainly did not. He caved the second the pressure to "do something" came in post events, and anyone willing to utter the statement while POTUS "take the guns first and worry about due process later" is not to be trusted. He's no friend of 2A, never has been, I'd trust her change of position on that one over his (as he never had one apparently...) on that topic.

On other topics, that's another issue and we'd have to go down the line as to all that, and I suspect she'd end not being a conservatives wet dream as he pretended to be. I think she's typical of some Dems which come in two forms*, which to say naive and her background and upbringing (per her vid) was one of no guns, guns bad, etc etc. That she (may) have worked her way out of that nonsense, (and she's always claimed to support 2A where as many Dems flatly don't these days) still went against her party and loons there in.

What I like about her and always have is, she's capable of learning, and seemingly, capable of altering positions on learning.

This may seem like a out of the blue flip for some here, but it's not if you have been tracking her as I have. I have seen the slow and steady change in her positions while a Dem, and even posted on her Twitter feed she was sounding a lot like a Libertarian and or GOP and was clearly in the wrong party.

It's been a gradual transition, a "red pill moment" and now we are here. Or, she's like Trump and the rest, a full of chit grifter saying what she thinks her base wants to hear. We shall see!

* form 1, well meaning but naive as F and more the classic Lib, and form 2, a worthless loon zealot Marxists trying to take over the US and taken over the Dem party. She being the former, like a lot of classic Libs, decided to separate herself from the party and took the red pill on some issues.

Tulsi has had plenty of media time to say she is now against banning or otherwise regulating so-called assault weapons. She hasn’t. Same for background checks and all her other anti-2A positions. So far, she’s clearly not willing to speak straight to her positions.

So far, Tulsi has shown to be no different than the conga line of politicians who speak in generalities and let their audience fill in the blanks, hoping the audience will forget who they proved to be in elected office.

[pinzgauer]

The interesting thing with Tulsi is she doesn't seem to speak and sound bites.

Every time I've seen her as a talking head, talk show, or her tweets, they seemed thoughtful and well reasoned. Even ad hoc ones in response to direct comments by others, etcetera. Like on a talk show.

Her voting record on gunowner rights is a problem and she would need to address it directly. No question about that.

Just from her tweets her views do seem to be evolving on black rifles and similar. Maybe it's a decoy like other politicians, but it would be more blatant than what lurch carry and similar did.

In any case I put her in a different category than most politicians as she does appear to be an independent thinker even if she is historically wrong on a very critical item.

So I usually enjoy seeing her viewpoints and often find them insightful and something I agreed with.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Every situation is unique and if hearing those words from the mouth of sitting POTUS I posted above does not freak you out, nothing will. Had Obama, Tulsi, etc said those words, we'd have all lost our minds, and rightly so. Yes, he had a habit of saying stupid things without thinking it through, and actually did a good job on some major areas of importance, but fact remains, this smacks of double standards as to what Trump gets a pass for, as Reagan got a pass for, for which I will give no one/equal benefit of the doubt for if I think the person is not a total zealot loon, be they far right or left.

NRA Chris Cox made a propaganda video is support of red flag gun confiscation.
Trump came in to office holding hands with the NRA and generally remained so in rhetoric and policy. Now I’m not a fan of the NRA but I figured he’d pretty much stay aligned with them when I voted for him, and that’s pretty much the way it was during his presidency.

Tulsi? she’s a big girl with plenty of airtime to talk specifically against her own record on guns. She hasn’t, at least not that I have heard.

Since you’ve been following her closely, what specific positions has she changed on anything? Tulsi said the thought of overturning Roe V Wade “terrified” her and was committed pro-choice. She has said she wants to codify Roe. Her voting record is clear. Is she now in terror or is she now pro-life?